00:01.43 archpodnet All right? Welcome back to the archaeology. Nope. It's not the archaeology show all right start over. Ah. 00:05.72 Paul Um, no, it's not welcome back to someplace else like. 00:09.78 archpodnet Ah, ah, ah, some place else all right I know I host too many podcasts all right here. We go welcome back to the Arca welcome back to the arche tech podcast episode 197 and this is the final segment and so Chelsea I just want to know. 00:25.29 archpodnet I Mean you've you've said throughout the show that this is a commercialized product and we know because you told us that you've patented this product. What was the process around patenting it like and and as you're getting into that like what? what actually are you patenting because obviously if somebody wants one of these things they'd have to buy like a skid steer as well. I don't think you're. 00:25.93 Chelsea Pasch Um. 00:44.49 archpodnet You would include that you you didn't patent the skid steer like that's a thing that you can just buy right? Yeah right? So what are we doing here actually. Ah. 00:45.97 Paul No, and I think that archimedes has the patent on the screw too right. 00:52.10 Chelsea Pasch Yeah, yeah, So so the the patent is ah actually on the the apparatus. So It's It's essentially an attachment for skid steer the same way you could buy. You know, ah a regular augur attachment or Jackhammer attachment or you know even a dump bucket attachment for your skid steer. Um, it's It's just the attachment portion. Um, and the patent is actually on the um, the design. 01:08.30 archpodnet Yeah. 01:08.93 Paul Me. 01:12.53 archpodnet Sure, no. 01:24.33 archpodnet Okay. 01:24.85 Chelsea Pasch And the methodology. Um, and that took about three and a half four years in some cases to actually work my way through the patent process. Um and a lot of money to lawyers and a lot of re rewording different. 01:30.65 archpodnet To this. 01:41.74 Paul Um, drink. 01:43.56 archpodnet Mother. 01:44.29 Chelsea Pasch Sentences are half of a sentence or spelling in a American versus British ah way um, or vice versa. Um, so a lot of hair pulling and maybe some hard seltzers helped get through the process. But. 01:52.59 Paul So. 01:52.82 archpodnet Um. 02:04.27 Chelsea Pasch It was. It was actually really great I'm I'm actually a really really huge nerd I know it's a shock right? and I I'm a huge fan of Nicola Tesla and for me it was I always wanted to have an invention so it. It wasn't necessarily like I'm Goingnna do this and I'm Goingnna make a ton of money and I'm gonna do blah blah blah it was I'm Goingnna try to make something that's really hard easier I'm gonna try to make something that's really hard better. Um I'm Goingnna try to get a patent on this so I can have. 02:29.51 archpodnet Um. 02:35.88 archpodnet Nice. 02:41.55 Chelsea Pasch You know I have 2 daughters that are 6 and 4 I want them to be like my mom has you know 5 patents on this piece of equipment and that's just something I always imagine what my my obituary will say you know and. I wanted inventor to be a part of that it was just you know the moment I get enough money I'm going to space guys. That's that's the goal. That's the end game here. 03:03.83 archpodnet It's. 03:08.12 archpodnet Wait your your your tombstone's not going to say augured her way into the history books. It's not going to say that. 03:13.26 Chelsea Pasch Um, oh but um, yeah I won't charge you for the sound effects there. But yeah, not it it I know it's a little bit silly but it was something. Yeah, it's just kind of ah align that way and. 03:13.58 Paul Oh. 03:23.67 archpodnet No, that's cool. 03:30.21 Chelsea Pasch You know as I said probably before and and you know my my business lawyer is probably kicking me under the table somewhere but it would say stop saying you're not a business person. You know you're you're kind of cutting your own feet out from under you. But. I'm not if I were a business person. This would probably be commercialized and franchised and licensed and out there already. Um, you know with what's that guy's name Billy Billy may yelling at you at an infomercial. So. 03:54.63 archpodnet Well oh yeah, yeah, yeah, nice, nice. Well you know I mean it really does behoove people to stay in their lane To be honest, we talk about that from a scientific standpoint on the show all the time. It's like you know why. Why hire an archaeologist to do your you know I mean I mean Insert weird technology here when you can hire somebody who really knows what they're doing with that thing and the archaeologists should probably understand it from their project standpoint but it goes the same way with with business I mean I Run a small business and do I do um ah my own bookkeeping not if I want to stay out of Jail I don't so. 04:20.50 Chelsea Pasch Are. 04:32.55 archpodnet You know I I have ah 2 two fantastic ladies 1 ne's my bookkeeper and 1 ne's my accountant and then they keep me honest so and keep my books honest and because I don't know how to file all that paperwork and I don't want to know it's just something I don't need so I totally understand being the the inventor side of it. 04:33.18 Chelsea Pasch Ah. 04:49.10 archpodnet Did you patent it in the us and in Canada. Yeah Jesus wow that's awesome yeah that's fantastic that's fantastic what are 04:50.20 Chelsea Pasch I did I have a us canada international UKEurope and Australia yeah I wanted to to cover all the basis. 04:57.45 Paul Now. 05:06.40 archpodnet The next steps towards the commercialization process of this of this device. 05:13.23 Chelsea Pasch Number 1 is probably stop degrading myself in in public um number two um is I just need to I'm working on a white paper right now to essentially just use all of the the amazing and crazy case studies. Just from my tiny little ah corner of the world. Um to really show the vast utilization that this technology um can bring to the field of archaeology because I I honestly cannot be the only person. Um, that would benefit from this. Um, especially when I know I just know that you know the industry down in the Us is just massive and we're coming up on a huge ah restriction of archeologists who can hold permits you know in crm. 05:57.30 archpodnet Um, yeah. 06:05.37 archpodnet E. 06:09.16 Chelsea Pasch So how how are we going to deal with this increase of cultural resource management work coming in but a decrease in archeologists who can do it? Yeah this this could be ah, a perfect time. 06:18.43 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. Indeed Paul. 06:26.70 Paul Yeah, having there've been a lot of discussions lately about the ah difficulty of finding field texts and and you know getting people to work on projects or long-term viability of of individual field texts staying in the field. So I suppose if you. 06:43.71 Paul Find some way of mitigating that from the business end. Um that that that's useful to the field. Especially if you do so without reducing quality right? because that's always a fear is you get rid of people you reduce quality if you can do it while maintaining quality and I'm thinking of quality because I'm in the middle of writing a paper right now about um about. 06:48.52 Chelsea Pasch Um. Is her. 07:02.56 Paul Field Surveys and ah and a lot of the ah the literature that I'm reviewing has to do with with visibility and obtrusiveness and you know what percentage of things are seen by different people depend on the ground cover whatnot. So anyhow, so if you can at least regularize and standardize. 07:16.13 Chelsea Pasch Are. 07:22.80 Paul That and say you know mathematically that yes we can get this guaranteed that that's an interesting step forward now I I know this because we had a little bit of a prerecording discussion. But you said earlier you said 6 or 7 archeologists in the province I don't know if you're if you're being a little hyperbolic there or if there really are that few. Um I mean I know there're only like 16 or 17 people in Canada anyhow, so you I might be right? Um I know that for remarked and I wanted to mention you that we we know one that you've worked with that you work quite closely with who. Ah. 07:50.19 archpodnet Yeah. 07:57.63 Paul Kara Woolsey who was on this podcast just about a year ago on episode one seventy two discussing the company Archeosoft and the stratum software and she was core was talking about. You know. Increasing efficiencies in the field and that's something that you're talking about but just to be clear this this even though you 2 work together in some respect. Um your augur is addressing the same concerns but not part of the same company right. 08:30.58 Chelsea Pasch Correct. Yeah so I'm actually involved with Quora and her archeosofts and stratum software as a investor um because to be honest, her solution. Um, is is. It's important for me that ah it it be solved because the problem with being able to say dig a lot of holes more efficiently and faster. It means that you're creating more data that needs to be recorded and we have not come up with a way yet to meet the ah. 09:03.29 Paul He. 09:06.81 Chelsea Pasch The amount of um so 413 test pits in one day um I don't know about you guys have you ever recorded 413 test pits in one day um yeah but you can't see it. 09:15.13 Paul I don't think I've written 413 words in a day. 09:15.43 archpodnet I I know I was. 09:22.52 Chelsea Pasch But my thighs are the size of tree trunks because of the amount of squats you have to do it's it's actually creating a backlog of of data and you know what Cora and Archaeosoft and the stratum software are looking to do is just. Make everything more efficient and you know we're really there guys. We're there in archeology I see you guys talk about it all the time on this podcast. We're there where we need to be. You know we can study the past we don't have to be stuck in it. Um, we can create software and. 09:48.49 archpodnet 1 09:59.97 Chelsea Pasch Innovative technologies specifically for archeology. We are no longer relegated to the sidelines we are you know if you if you've read that that paper on the forecast for the crm industry. You know, couple billion dollar industry like that. That's no. 10:11.61 Paul Listen. 10:14.10 archpodnet Um. 10:18.31 Chelsea Pasch Small potatoes as we say. 10:18.99 archpodnet Yeah, and you know I've always said from a business standpoint. You know there developers are never going to pay us more money to do this right? like we're always struggling just for contracts and and and and trying not to script the bottom of the barrel just to win projects especially down here in the United States so in order to. 10:24.16 Chelsea Pasch Are. 10:37.71 archpodnet Make ourselves. You know make these projects a little more lucrative. We have to get better. We have to get more efficient and we have to find ways to not cut costs in an unethical way by paying people less and and you know tripling up in a hotel room or something we just need to become more efficient and use better tools for our job. 10:41.94 Chelsea Pasch Yeah. 10:56.54 archpodnet That you know may have an initial upfront cost but looking at the follow on savings that you could make because of the increased efficiency is something that is really difficult for a lot of archeologists to do I mean and I've been involved with software before and and different software programs in the past and it's it's ah. The the math is there but it's almost impossible to convince some people that are running companies that you can actually save money in the long run by by doing this and it's it's It's a real tough sell. 11:14.75 Chelsea Pasch Yeah. 11:26.74 Chelsea Pasch Absolutely and I really believe Um, so once or if or when this technology that that I use um ever becomes available for others to to use Archeosoft Stratum Software will. 11:43.65 archpodnet Sure. 11:43.93 Chelsea Pasch Be part and parcel of the process. You know if you want to be able to to work as efficiently and I'm I've been using this as 2016 I'm the operator of Doug probably more test pits in the province of New Brunswick than anyone and. I can say you know wholeheartedly like here's the process here's the best way to do it and here's the software that'll help you maximize that efficiency. 12:08.10 archpodnet You know you were talking about 400 plus test pits in a day I was just thinking you know the the most I can ever think of digging and I only know this because I was talking to some of the other people on the crew this was over ten years ago down in like North Carolina and and. 12:13.64 Chelsea Pasch To. 12:14.69 Paul Um. 12:24.69 archpodnet I dug I think like 80 something in a day but that's only because they were only about yeah they were only about eighty centimeters deep and they were all sand 1 strat like you could literally put the entire shovel test pit in your screen lifted up and left with a pile of ceramics or something like that. So that's the only reason though. 12:28.25 Paul Um, ah. 12:33.64 Chelsea Pasch Wow. 12:42.81 archpodnet And and most of the time I mean shit when I dug up in Vermont forget that we were lucky to get 2 done of the day it just that clayy soil was garbage and there were 50 by fifty centimeter holets it was just so hard to dig. 12:51.36 Chelsea Pasch Right? right? But that's very that's very synonymous with new Brunswick right? It's a very kind of clay loamy soil pod size lots of roots you know glacial ablation till you know it's just miserable. Um, the most often ever done is 20 12:56.57 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 12:57.65 Paul Nothing. 13:06.20 archpodnet Um, yeah. 13:10.96 Chelsea Pasch And that that I'm telling you was you know that that was the the toughest. 13:12.62 archpodnet Tough? Yeah, yeah, that's tough so we're doing the end of this show Chelsea and and we definitely love to have you on again in the future. But if somebody is thinking man I'd really like to get my hands on one of these things. How far do you think you're away from doing that. 13:12.91 Paul Yeah. 13:33.51 Chelsea Pasch So I already I already know it works. Um I'm in this very strange limbo of kind of reaction versus pro action. Ah, which means I'm I'm booked guys for the next two years um specifically just with this technology. Um specifically just in New Brunswick so ah my my life is a series of of. 13:46.38 archpodnet Me. 13:59.46 Chelsea Pasch Field season to writing season to field season the writing season and then somewhere in there see my children and my husband and all of that stuff. But um I am making an effort this year um as part of my you can't see it but I'm doing those horrible finger quotations strategy. 14:06.81 Paul She. 14:18.83 Chelsea Pasch Ah, for culver my company um to get it out. There. Get this white paper route so people can see the case studies we've used in New Brunswick um talk to more people like I'm doing right now because I'm actually ah just ah, one of those horrible hermit introverts that that doesn't really. Ah, like people and so out of my my yeah shell right now but talk to people and if if someone has a project that they think um the excavator that they would watch going through a site could actually ah be replaced by. Doing the systematic sampling or or prospection of their their area with this equipment reach out to me I would absolutely be tickled pink to see this on any other project anywhere else in North America because the name of the game is just. Bring in the entire discipline into the the future we've put people on the moon guys. We're rocking up with with shovels and screens and being like hey guys give us you know three months and we'll get it done and the bird surveyors have heatseeking drones and they're done in 20 minutes 15:23.95 Paul Um. 15:35.81 Chelsea Pasch So we we have to catch up. Ah. 15:35.96 archpodnet Yeah yep, Paul go ahead. 15:36.44 Paul Rans Oh no, Ah, that's great. Let's Up. Let's just wind this up then with um with a quick question if somebody does want to reach out to you. How best should they do so and definitely we'll put this. Links or whatever in the ah in the show notes. But what's your best way to be reached. 15:56.48 Chelsea Pasch Sure, um, you can email me. Um, it's chelsea.posh at colber dot ca that'll be down in the description below. Um I'm on Linkedin. Um, I've got a ah hefty followership of 1000 people so you know feel free to to jump on that train of you know, just my my thought vomit going on to that. Um, and yeah I have a website. It's you know, arguably horrible I am going to update it here shortly and by me I mean I'm going to pay someone. 16:14.19 Paul Um, nice. 16:32.16 Chelsea Pasch Much smarter than I to update it and and put some more of this stuff out there because guys a lot of what I do comes with a lot of imposter. Syndrome. You know what? What right do I have to to think that I'm doing something special or or that type of thing I'm trying to to get out of that. Rut and and and just really say you know we've benefited from it here in New Brunswick um you know we're a small corner of the world this really needs to be on those very large scale projects you know pipelines and long linear. You know highways. 17:07.82 archpodnet Um. 17:09.83 Chelsea Pasch Those types of things those deep alluvial sediments that I know that Texas is very fond of of having you know we need to we need to start solving the problems that you know our brothers and sisters and in cultural resource management have been kind of buttoned their heads up against and. It's out there. So we just need it to start getting used so please reach out any questions you know I'm I'm hoping to be at the essay a's in Oregon I should have an exhibitor booth there um colber consulting booth 3 oh eight come and come and say hi. Um, I'll have a little model of the ah the skid steer and the augur attachment I'll have some some handouts and some of our old posters and all of that stuff. And I'll even sign something for you if you want like I said I have a thousand followers on Linkedin guys I mean I'm kind of a big deal that like one one will be there. Yeah. 18:01.45 archpodnet Some of them some of them are bound to be there. So just be prepared for that. Ah, nice, nice all right? Well we're wrapping up this show. So I just would like to say to all of our listeners definitely look down at your show notes open up your phone and and. 18:21.00 Chelsea Pasch But. 18:21.21 archpodnet Check out her contact information and contact Chelsea if you want to get more info on this and convince her to actually get this to where she can sell this to you because it needs to be out there I mean I've worked in 18 different states in the United States I haven't worked in Canada yet and there are. 18:28.88 Chelsea Pasch Oh. 18:38.50 archpodnet Lots of environments where this would have been a really handy thing to have and I'll never forget talking to ah talking to the person whose name is escaping me right now who did the yeah I'll never forget that now I'm forgetting his name apparently but. 18:51.14 Paul Um, you'll never forget who you forgot. 18:55.74 archpodnet The the guy who published the paper on the the one hundred and thirty five thousand year old deposits in San Diego of the mastodon finds that they're saying we're created by humans now that part is in question right? That part is definitely in question but his whole point was. 18:56.12 Chelsea Pasch Ah. 19:02.42 Paul Um, the. 19:02.74 Chelsea Pasch Um, oh. 19:10.89 archpodnet You know we tell archeologists to dig to a certain depth and they dig to that depth because they hit some sort of barrier like the end of their shovel or something like that and then they just stop and these like there there could be there could be layers and layers and layers of nothing because you know ah environmentally something happened. 19:17.37 Chelsea Pasch And. 19:29.50 archpodnet And then you you get back down into cultural layers and it's physically impossible to dig down that deep in some places and having something like this you know that's a mechanical you know auger like this that could gently pull all the material up for you and and and help you find these lower layers would be really great and then even if it's not low. Just. Speed of the thing sounds amazing. So definitely lots of environments I've worked in where this would be beneficial so all right? Well Chelsea thank you so much for coming on this show and I hope we can have you on again soon. Good luck at the essay that is a wild wild event I'm not going to be there this year but it sounds like it's going to be. You know. People are people are gearing up for it. So sounds like it's going to be a good one and I hope you get a lot of context and um, you know people interested. 20:15.32 Chelsea Pasch Awesome! Thanks so much guys. Thank you. 20:15.57 Paul Yeah, thanks so much Johnson Wish you all the best of luck. 20:19.77 archpodnet All right? Well with that. Thanks a lot guys and we'll see in a couple weeks. 20:26.28 Paul Bye.