00:00.00 archpodnet Hello and welcome back to the CRM Archeological podcast episode None segment 3 and we were talking about end goals in archeology and I'd like to throw this over to doug and ask doug for Yourself. How do you. You come up with steps towards getting to your end goal in the None place. 00:24.32 Doug Yeah, um I have to say I was I was quite fortunate. Um I've mentioned this yet several episodes is I took that class that became like avenues to professionalism the book. Ah or it was a class and then it was ah carol and and Joe's book um, and 1 thing they had to do was actually like write down your goals. It sounds super simple but like literally the first step is actually writing down your goals because then they become concrete. Um, and it's no longer something. Ah. 01:33.32 archpodnet Ah. 01:42.30 Doug Mentally that you can sort of ignore. Um, yeah because if you always have sort of something the back of your mind. It's only there when you're thinking about it. But if you write it down and you say where you want to be um and you basically ah. 02:08.96 archpodnet Right. 02:21.38 Doug Mark it out milestone it as it were and so so you're you're looking at like you know I want to be here in None ars I want to be there in None and then in None I want to be I know ah enjoying the sweet suite Andrew Killen Life of just you know. Um, wearing a monocle and ah teaching your case. Ah yes, yes, yeah, um, and then you know realize it. It's it's fluid and if you don't reach those goals at that time. it's okay um it's it's meant to. 03:27.60 archpodnet And pontificating pontificating much pontificating. 03:37.96 Doug Set you on a path because if if you're looking at I want to be a certain level in 2 years well that's a very concrete goal and you need to have you actually need to add like time to your goals like like you can't just have ah a vague goal because then you just push it off till forever. 04:18.77 archpodnet Yeah. 04:30.26 archpodnet Um. 04:11.62 Doug Um, you know it's always there. But you you don't actually set steps. But if you set like a six month goal or a 2 year goal that comes quickly I mean like yeah, well, that's of course it's 2 years through a pandemic and then that can just feel like 2 decades. But um. 04:55.54 archpodnet Yep. 04:47.74 Doug You know you guys set times and then once you have that which is you know a goal and it needs to be There's all sorts of acronyms. Ah, which is like so things like smart which is specific manageable. Attainable something I you know you can Google on the internet and there'll be a None business terms and various different ways about what your your goal should be but in the end, the goal should be somewhat measurable. Um. 06:24.96 archpodnet Yeah. 06:07.20 Doug But it doesn't have to be like hard measurable like I need my salary at like None or something like that it can actually be like I want to be happy 90% of the time like like like you you don't have to like your goals do not have to be just about like career progression ah progression in terms of like. 06:36.52 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 06:49.40 archpodnet M. 06:43.94 Doug Money and and position or power. It could actually just be like being content. Um and and but you want to have something that you can be able to know when you're there. Um and like so like content sounds like you know it can be a really vague goal but actually you know being content and happy. 07:14.60 archpodnet Right. 07:23.62 Doug Um, you can set a pretty pretty solid goal of like you know I 98% of time I want to go into work and not hate my life. Um, and that's that's a very attainable ah goal. Um, and so you you'll know when you're there, you'll you'll you'll definitely know when you you know. 08:09.26 archpodnet Yep, yeah. 08:01.72 Doug If you if you're going into work and like every day you know 7 out of the 8 hours you're just miserable then you haven't reached your goal. But. 08:38.98 archpodnet Right? Ah, you know I think I think we just talked about there in those last few minutes is just gold. It's like everyone in the world listened to what Doug just said. Ah I find that. Too many people don't do this and I just so much agree with you about writing down writing down the steps you know, just either however is more comfortable for you either if it's on a piece of paper or if it's on a file in your computer for me like what. What you just outlined Doug is exactly what I do I have I have a sheet like I have a a document in my computer called success notes and I know it sounds totally cliche and cheesy and Weber. But just you guys just lean into the cheese. You know and and do it and I do basically what Doug just talked about for myself I have I have themes I'll have like writing success because I'm like I'll put stuff down on there like oh a textbook. Which I actually wrote and it feels so good when you can check something off your list. You're like yes and I have these other things that I want to write I have teaching success for what I'm going to do in the class and things I'd like to do things like classes I'd like to make that I haven't done yet I put those on there I have. Belize success for my maya stuff when I work in Belize like long term goals who would be great to work on this at some point and like Doug like you were saying I also have other things on there that have nothing to do with job like. Like family success. You know things things I'd like to do with the family and it it goes back to what you were saying about being content and it brings me a whole lot of content when I go forward on these steps and it's not. A super pressure situation. You know I give myself reasonable steps I'm like you know it'd be really great if by the end of the summer I could do this, you know or whatever and so having that that written down. Chart. It's basically ah like a flow chart of life has has really helped me and I look at that thing all the time. So for me, that's really helped and what's funny as we talked about earlier about crm I'm just kind of blowing the dust off my crm success. 14:01.16 archpodnet Notes you know? Ah yeah, hey maybe one time a week we'll see right? So it's it's a fun time to be creative too about your goals. 13:51.80 Doug Yeah I think um when you're looking at your goals 1 is you don't need to achieve them all at once. Um, and you need to break them down into smaller tasks like um, you're you're gonna like if you have a goal of like ah. 14:29.60 archpodnet Yeah. Absolutely. 14:28.24 Doug Ah, Andrew if you don't mind if we use your example of like you just you didn't quite. It was vague how to make it to the next the next level like you just didn't know and crm you didn't know how to to make it like project manager pi level and jump like that. Um, and that is a big jump like like if if your goal is that. 14:56.58 archpodnet It's right. 15:13.84 archpodnet Yeah. 15:06.20 Doug It can be super overwhelming because you just there's a ton of things you have to do and various things you have to look at and it can be really overwhelming and so the best thing to do is break it down to the tiniest of tasks. Um I kind of look at this as like if you don't have a coding background. This makes no sense but basically like. 15:44.40 archpodnet The. 15:45.96 Doug Um, there's there's a thing called functional programming which is basically ah when you're coding you you create functions and each function should just have one purpose. It should do just 1 thing and that's it and that's what you should do with your um your steps. 16:27.16 archpodnet Right. 16:40.32 archpodnet Um. 16:19.68 Doug Like you shouldn't like plan out like 10 steps you should just do one very simple step and if that step is as simple as like learning how to do like if if you're starting out in archeology and you want to become. Ah, ah you know you have to get entry level job in tech learning how to make a line level. 17:19.70 archpodnet Um, yeah. 16:58.64 Doug But like like like just making a straight that that is seriously like the you know 2 nails a string a level like but that is a task and that is doable and that's that's something you should do is like you should break it down and you're like okay None you learn how to do that and then you learn how to. 17:40.44 archpodnet It is It is ah yeah. 17:36.18 Doug Ah, well then you learn how to measure on on ah to the different stratum on your ah ah on your trench and then the next thing is you learn how to draw that in but that's a task It should be very simple, very tiny steps that you take each time because if not, you're going to get overwhelmed with like. 18:17.62 archpodnet Right? yes. 18:38.10 archpodnet Right? And I know oh dude. Um, but yeah I I love that idea of just even the line level and then once you do it and get good at it. You can take pride in it and and it sounds funny but it's true. You'd be like hey dude look at that line level that is a sweet line level and others. 18:13.98 Doug Oh I need to learn Gi I S well you nod. But. 19:15.54 archpodnet Who know archeology are like yeah nicely done. You know so you can take pride in these steps and they feel so good when you get good at them. Um, ah. 18:56.16 Doug Yeah, and you're not gonna be overwhelmed because like yeah if you said go like learning gis for that's a career like but like your your None goal speed like learn what gis means and like that's. 19:48.18 archpodnet Um, right? yes. 19:32.98 Doug That's that's just it and like you do you break it down into a bunch of smaller goals. Um I think ah, that's part of the part one of the steps and then also like you probably actually end up having to do like a lot of research like if you have a goal of like actually you know what I want to have. 20:18.78 archpodnet The. 20:08.24 Doug Self-fulfillment of a spiritual level. Um in my work and you're like I have no idea how to do that? Yeah I know 10000 people write a blog each day or a podcast or like yeah there's tons of resources out there. 21:04.32 archpodnet Right. 20:44.40 Doug Um, anything you want to do I mean it could be as much as like actually you know I want to be a business owner I need to learn like basics of accounting and what's a curl accounting and like you know what's cash based accounting and like you know there are None of mini courses Youtube videos podcast. 21:26.86 archpodnet Who. 21:42.58 archpodnet Absolutely. 21:23.82 Doug Vlogs books um man there are any medium you can think of I'm sure someone thought interpretive dance on like how to do count accounting like there is something out there on the way that you learn. So if you learn better on reading or. Or practicing or listening to a podcast or whatever there's going to be a ton of stuff out there. Um or even just asking people like you know so there's going to be less information out there on crm I mean you have stuff like Chris's book for how to get into crm and survive it. Um, you. 22:24.16 archpodnet Ah. 22:51.34 archpodnet Um, yeah, yeah. 22:34.10 Doug I'd say like Bill's blog is pretty good on like some of the other things and there'll be less things but you can also like ask coworkers like um, you know how did you become a pi um and and also you're going to have to ask a lot of people because some people's answers are going to be like well it was the 70 s. 23:10.14 archpodnet Ah. 23:34.76 archpodnet Ah, yeah, ah. 23:10.78 Doug Um, there was nothing else to do I Just got a University I had a Ph D I had a pickup truck and a shovel and that's that's how I became owner of the company like that. 23:44.40 archpodnet Ah, oh my God I That's so true and that that you bring up that great point too of asking others and and and multiple people because you're right? You'll get the one where it's like I was just standing there and then a bolt of lightning hit me and you're like yeah well I'm not going to have a bolt of lightning. 23:40.70 Doug Yeah. 24:24.30 archpodnet But yeah, ask multiple people and and take it seriously and write that to I used to I would take notes after asking people about the stuff you know and and I would also specifically try and find people who were speaking of reasonable goals who were just a little ahead of me. You know, not super ahead of me, not a decade ahead of me that I can't even reach someone who's at that next step. How'd you get to that next step you know and then and then that's you can get that you can see it. You can see the light at the end of the tunnel. 25:01.14 Doug Yeah I also say look for people who struggled as well because a lot of people honestly bolt of lightning right? time right place. But when yeah when that happens they don't actually realize it like you want that person who took 5 years to get to their goal. 25:32.62 archpodnet No. 25:46.72 archpodnet Um, yeah, right. 25:40.44 Doug Because they struggled probably made a bunch of mistakes mistakes you'll learn from um, like they can tell you like actually I did a bunch of these things and it did not work out. Don't do it whereas like the person who's just like oh it just fell into my lap. Well they did 1 thing and it worked out for them and they have no, they have no usually no idea. 26:13.64 archpodnet Yep. Yeah, yeah. 26:19.80 Doug Um, how to do it now and and you're totally right? Andrew ask someone just a little bit ahead of you. Um, because someone moving into a different part of their career or having a goal ah that happened in the 1980 s is very different than someone in the 2020 s 26:53.14 archpodnet M. 27:08.00 archpodnet Right? So yeah, so different. Oh I'd also like to add as we're talking about end goals on all this Stuff. It's okay to drop a goal. You know if you kind of go into it for a while you're into it. But then you just realize you're like this isn't working out. You know this is it isn't what I thought it's not going to get me where I want. Um, it's a lot of work and it's really feeling like work. Ah, it's It's okay to let it go.. You're not a loser if you if you see it and you go Oh This isn't going to work just just let it go. It's It's okay, I've done that several times. In in my career. Um I can think of if I can think of in the in the diving world right? I Really I got really into Scuba diving because it goes with some of the stuff I do in believes and I got my dive master certification and that was huge for me and that's a big deal. But then I thought I wanted to go even further and I. Started to do this thing called GeGlobal Underwater explorers and it really was I felt it where I was like you know what? this is too much This is for somebody who's a full time diver and and diving as their life I'm a college professor I I can't do this So i. Stopped at that point and it was a good choice right? It wasn't it would have been foolish for me to force myself to like continue at that point. 29:31.20 Doug I think that brings up something else you raised Andrew which is like having goals that are not all just career and archeology I think that's super important and I think also like for anyone listening like archeology. Maybe. 30:10.76 archpodnet Um. 30:05.74 Doug Ah sorry what was it global Underwater Yeah so if archeology is your global underwater explorers. Ah, it's okay to leave it like um, we do have this thing about like failure like if you leave archeology Somehow you couldn't hack it but honestly like. 30:30.68 archpodnet Global Underwater explorers Gee. Yes. 31:02.40 archpodnet Um. 30:45.40 Doug You know your goals shouldn't just be career goals but like we're talking life goals and like end goals like when when you when Andrew wants to like retire with a monocole. Um that that's a life goal right? there that that doesn't have to that that doesn't have to be with archeology. Um. 31:35.32 archpodnet It is now. 31:24.70 Doug And but that is that thing is like you know goals will change you and you mentioned family goals which I think are super important and you know it's prioritizing and figuring out some of your goals may be to help other goals. So like if your goal is to spend more time with your family. 31:55.20 archpodnet Oh. 31:58.80 Doug Maybe your goal is then to change your job or or not your goal 1 of your steps to do that is to change your job to maybe 1 where you're not out in the field. You're not doing ten days on four days off in some remote location on a border between various states or countries. 32:42.18 archpodnet Right. 32:35.58 Doug Um, as as we've done or you know that could be a goal and so yeah, like making it up to Pi may not actually be ah, a goal so much as a step to getting to what your actual goal is um and I think that's important to think of is is these goals is not just of. 33:30.30 archpodnet Yep. 33:12.88 Doug Like you know archeology is not the end. All be all, you shouldn't be looking at this as as you're um, as the prism of of judging success. Um, it's It's not. 33:54.38 archpodnet No, no and so so many people do that They they do that You see that all the time with like PHDDissertations and stuff. You know they're like oh this is just this is the end I'll be all, it's like no no, no, It's a step. You know and to to a sort of a greater enlightenment I Guess later. Um, and with that we are at the end of our time. So This one's been really fun. Just just the 2 of us just sort of sitting here hanging and talking about goals In. In archeology and kind of how to how to get to them. Ah, we will see everybody next time and with that we are out of here. See you guys next time. All right is that it a. 35:01.36 Doug Goodbye. Everyone. 35:12.12 Doug Well you guys stop the recording I think you should stop the recording. 35:42.82 archpodnet No, should I stop the recording I think I could stop the recording.