00:01.58 archpodnet All right? Welcome back to episode two fifty of the I hate florida podcast I mean the crema archeology podcast. Um, so let me let me talk about Florida for a minute and in the context of where can you work pretty much consistently like you know I mean. 00:05.90 Andrew A. 00:08.64 Bill White Ah, oh man. 00:17.19 archpodnet Bills mentioned Andrews mentioned you know things do slow down a little bit but there are some places you can go in the country where weather wise at least you can continue to work even if maybe the work is a little slower because again those places need to. Respond to global supply chains when they are doing their work even if it's nice. There. It might not be nice where they're getting stuff to do construction and things like that. So maybe their their business slows down or like was mentioned holidays things like that so work might pick up in say January or February but slow down for November and December but. You know I'm Ragan on Florida but it is ah it is actually a good place to get some pretty consistent work for the winter and my second job ever in Siram started in December in Florida and I mean it never really got cold there I mean honestly I think we were wearing like light jackets or something in the morning because maybe it was cold in like January February was a little chillier in the morning and we were under this big tent on this full scale excavation in downtown Miami so no sunlight or anything and that was keeping it a little more chilly but then during the day it would get up to like you know ° or something. So if you're in the actual winter in Florida I mean it's not It's not terrible I just don't like. Just don't like humidity when it's pretty much always humid I mean it's a less humid in the winter but it's pretty much always humid I don't like lots and lots and lots of people and Florida is crazy crowded now again, there's parts of Florida that's not but I was in Miami so you know, crazy crowded. 01:45.47 archpodnet The 1 cool thing and the good thing I do remember from working in downtown Miami were the were the cubans the cuban culture like going across the street and getting a cafe called lache and a cuban sandwich was just delicious and that was really cool. Um, but aside from that like I try to avoid Florida as much as possible. Um, but. It's ah it's a it's a decent place to work in the United States for the wintertime. Can we think of anywhere else that hasn't been mentioned that might be a good place to go. Um, we worked in Washington in the winter like you were saying Bill but it was just wet and rainy the whole time. 02:14.53 Bill White Well I mean ah I was going to say them the Washington is probably 1 of the most miserable places I've ever worked in the winter because you only get like 7 hours of sunlight and um it is. 02:25.84 archpodnet Right. 02:28.57 Bill White You know you're right? It's like ° you get to work and it's ° in raining and then like during the day it warms up to ° in raining and then like you know at four thirty it's already too dark to dig and so you're like driving home and talking about crowded that place also has traffic that's worse than the bay area which is crazy. 02:32.38 archpodnet Um, yeah. 02:41.86 archpodnet Ah. 02:46.89 archpodnet Red. 02:48.19 Bill White To think that you know you know? ah and this was this was you know fifteen years ago it was bad now it's it's totally disgusting and so the big Seattle rocks because you get to work year-round. 02:55.40 archpodnet M. 03:02.20 Bill White If you're at a high enough wage level. But the actual work like Doug was saying is miserable. 03:04.88 archpodnet Yeah, right? Yeah, it's it's not fun. It's not fun, but there are areas of the ah southwest too where you can work. You know I mean obviously like Flagstaff and stuff gets cold and snowy. But you you stay in other parts of Arizona New Mexico Texas ah, there's definitely places where you can work down there but the jobs are going to be scarce right? because you you need to have kind of have an in because everybody wants to work and you know seasonal employees are going to be It's going to be a tough sell. Unless they happen to have a big winner project that they need somebody to do right? Oh yeah, yeah. 03:38.54 Bill White Well and also Arizona's hyper elitist like if if if you didn't go to school at Arizona or Asu or any you I don't know how you you? it's like impossible to get in. They only hire their own people you have to have Arizona experience and they think that everybody else is just like from a different planet. 03:49.00 archpodnet Sure sure. Right? Doug. 04:01.10 Doug I This is going to sound like I'm making a joke but I'm not emirates like no seriously so like emirates Saudi um those places but basically they don't have a sort of. 04:07.60 archpodnet Ah, well I mean yeah. 04:15.63 Doug Local workforce because you know only a few hundred thousand people and they don't have to most a lot of them. Don't have to work so they bring in massive amounts of foreign workers and it's really, you don't like from other countries. It's not like where they hate foreigners. Well they do in the sense that everyone hates foreigners. But. 04:27.83 archpodnet Um. 04:34.89 Doug They they let you come and work. Um, there's a lot of U K archeologists who like leave during the winter because you can go and work in the winter. Um, you know Saudi any of the emirates pays pretty decent. Weather is nice. Um, and it's. 04:42.84 archpodnet Sure. 04:52.00 Doug Quite easy to do it. So like I know it that sounds like um, my first said yeah guys go to the emirate on your winter. Um, it sounds like I'm um, making a joke but I'm not. It's actually a pretty legit place I mean Saudi's building that one one la. 05:05.44 archpodnet Yeah. 05:11.40 Doug City that's gonna go for like 50 miles or something. Um, and that's gonna require a lot of work and. 05:15.69 archpodnet Well Doug funny funny thing you mentioned that um I actually there is a there is a United States c or m firm I don't think I'm at liberty to say who it is because we interviewed somebody who's on that project. Um over the ah over the summer actually I sure I would work there over the summer but that's just when that that's just when this phase of it had to happen. But yeah in Saudi Arabia over the summer for like I six weeks two months something like that. Um, there was a Crm firm in the United States that had people working over there. So. There are some firms that are working in the Middle East and and other parts of the world and. That brings up the question too of well this is something this is why it's good to actually work for a larger firm that has offices all over if not the United States the world more unlikely just the United States unless you're with you know, somebody who's I don't know I don't know how you get those contracts because the the firm I'm thinking of. Is not like super huge. It's not like an international construction firm or anything like that or engineering firm. They're a c or m shop and yet they work internationally so it happens anyway, the point is they may be able to move you around if you're either 1 of your 1 of their more trusted. You know, seasonal field texts they're they're going to keep you as much as they can and and move you to where if you're willing to go if you don't have something tying you down if you're willing to go where the work is then they will more than likely try to accommodate you with that now again, if you don't have the experience or some sort of special skills then they're they're going to favor somebody who does. 06:48.60 archpodnet You know I mean that's just the way it is the people at the bottom are probably going to go or maybe if you're willing to travel and some people aren't then you might be favored on on getting some work So doug. 07:00.81 Doug So um I don't know if we um mention this later or something else. But you know also some companies do um, a lot of lab work during the winter and try to keep people on um, not every but like I mean there's always a tradeoff because in a sense of. 07:13.98 Bill White Yeah, yeah. 07:14.41 archpodnet Um, oh yeah. 07:19.20 Doug Um, they have fewer lab people who are can be year-round. Um, so there's somewhat fewer jobs that way. But then there's more jobs for people who are lab so you might do like three months of measuringlythics and ceramic and rule. 07:24.75 archpodnet No. 07:38.94 Doug Writing Reports bunch of other stuff I mean some some are able to keep people on and I put more more that would would do that or and some places I wish it would be more financially viable to do that. 07:44.85 archpodnet Um, well and that's. 07:52.99 archpodnet Ah, yeah, ah you muted doug more financially. Oh okay, got it. So. 08:01.20 Doug That's because I was done with my comment. 08:06.45 archpodnet Yeah I mean you're hitting the nail on the head there Doug. That's the other thing I want to talk about beside aside from just moving to some place that actually has work for the winner look where you're at now and and see what they have to offer you and and this is where this is where gaining some other skills in any way shape or form that you possibly can and you might have to just. Beg and plead to learn new things at a company specifically I'm thinking of this one company. We worked for. It was the first I think it was the first like big Nevada project that that Rachel and I had and we were using nevada imax forms of course and we'd never really seen imax forms before because. I think the project we had before that somebody else was filling them out and then when we get to the the project that we were on again. Somebody else was filling out like the primary Nevada Imax forms and and we were just doing like artifact tallies and and feature descriptions and stuff like that. But I really angled to to try to see these forms and understand how to fill them out and and become. You know a person that could do that because that leads you into becoming a crew chief which could lead you into becoming you know, maybe somebody who could especially now maybe not ten years ago but especially now angling for like a work from home position with a company where. Maybe you're transcribing site forms. Maybe you're helping to write sections of a report you know, even if you're a field tech. It doesn't matter like they they still need things written and if you have if you can demonstrate half decent writing skills and and a knowledge of the area and and ah the ability to follow a format and instruction. 09:36.57 archpodnet Then you might be able to anger angle yourself into a work from home position where you just need a computer and an internet connection and you can live wherever you want and work for this company doing these things obviously lab work is going to require you to be there physically you know for for a company that actually has a lab. That's another thing a lot of companies don't even have labs especially smaller firms. All your bigger firms probably do. But your smaller ones they may not even have labs. So if you're angling for winter work maybe around now if you're looking for a job and and you can work another month or 2 you know start start looking for one of those companies that may have a larger presence. And the ability to perhaps keep you on in some form or capacity or move you to a place that you can I didn't see whose handup went up next so Andrew Abel whichever everyone you unmutes first. 10:22.51 Bill White You can go ahead. Andrew. 10:25.68 Andrew Ok, um, yeah I would just say in some ways. It's almost easier than than I think than what you're describing Chris because it's it's always good to get those more skills and stuff absolutely. But I think it just boils down to be professional, be a good professional on your current job because. 10:37.60 archpodnet Um, yeah. 10:43.57 Andrew It's always like when the field thing winds down they pull the people they like for the lab thing you know they winnow it down and then if you can make the cut then you have that extra six weeks or whatever of pay. 10:56.83 archpodnet No, nobody's going to hire an overqualified asshole is what you're saying. Yeah. 11:01.26 Bill White You know the other thing too that so a little bit about this and we were kind of mentioning it before the show started is that we're kind of in a bizarro world where like the numbers don't always add up for really anything that we once knew like. 11:02.24 Andrew Pretty much pretty much. 11:19.49 archpodnet I'm sure. 11:19.63 Bill White You know gas and rent and everything else is in this insane dimension that it's like you know who who the hell can even pay for all this stuff but the other thing talking about making it over the winter Bizarro world might create opportunities in that everybody else just takes another job. 11:37.99 archpodnet 1 11:39.10 Bill White Because it's so horrible to work in the winter and because the wages aren't where they should be and because it's hard to keep a job people just start. You know, proactively planning to find a way to maneuver away from the company and as soon as the fun field work and the discoveryies die in down from the summer and it starts to rain and it starts to suck and you know it's windy and everything people might start dropping off and flaking off and just creating new opportunities for the people who actually just stay with the company. 12:08.64 archpodnet Indeed yeah, and that's that's such a good point and I and I think both you guys kind of making the point of you know, be a likable person if you're if you're a a likable person and and something somebody that people want to be around and I can't say I've been this person ah most of my career but but be that. Be that kind of person and you know they might just try to find something for you because they don't want to lose you right? They don't want to. They don't want to. They don't want to lose you to somebody else. They want to keep you around for the next season. Go ahead. Doug. 12:39.43 Doug Or unpopular opinion I know opinion or statements I think I think also um, it might be a time for some people to reflect if it's if it's a good time to leave archeology like. Permanently as well or for a while. Um I mean if I know that's that's the dryup thing people want to hear on the Crm podcast. But um, yeah I You know if you're gonna have some downtime. It might be a good time to look at your priorities. Um, and if. 12:56.41 archpodnet Yeah. 13:06.79 archpodnet Well. 13:13.70 Doug If The way you work can't provide year -round work for various reasons. Maybe it's outside the the ability of the companies or the companies just decide. They're not going to Um, yeah, ah their Loss. Um. It may be a time to sort of think about a different career. Yeah. 13:34.95 Bill White And yeah and I think I think there's a lot of folks who do that because I you know coming up I remember that's like the time just like Doug was mentioning. That's the time people find another job and they realize you know making pumpkin spice lattes is not so bad until I go on to you know, get. 13:36.90 archpodnet Um, well and let's take that chance. Go ahead, Go ahead bill. 13:45.15 archpodnet Um, yeah. 13:53.20 Bill White Get a degree you know as a nursing technician or ah, you know I'm I'm just going to move on to the next thing I'm moving to a whole nother town or you know my partner has a job and I'm just going to go with them and we're we're done with archeology and so I remember especially when I got up to the level where I was hiring folks. 13:55.71 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 14:07.33 archpodnet Brett. 14:12.22 Bill White Calling so many people in the spring and trying to get him to come back and they did what Doug said they did some soul searcharching and they figured you know what I did it I was an archaeologist for a couple years or a year I succeeded and that was enough success for me I'm just going to move on to the next thing. So. 14:25.65 archpodnet Well I think that's a good point because we're we're starting to lead into it to take a break and then we'll come back on the other side and talk about those other jobs you can do over the winter that are also. Not necessarily seasonal but there are some jobs that are seasonal in the opposite direction. There are only winter jobs and then there's other jobs that you can just do as a temporary person pretty easily and maintain your work and we'll talk about that on the other side of the brick.