00:00.00 archpodnet Welcome back to the serum archeology podcast not archeological podcast as our temporary host Andrew said in the last episode and but a lot of people say that I noticed that I couldn't edit it out either. But. 00:13.21 Andrew Well I Just yeah, no, no I I changed the name. Okay, that's the new name I am all powerful. Yeah figure it out. 00:15.57 Heather You should just put your your voice in their archeology and and about have been funny. Um. 00:17.54 archpodnet I know just likely edited in oh oh right? right got it got it. So okay, well moving back into episode two fifty four here Heather I had a follow up to one of the things you said because your your company encourages you to present and I know other companies that encourage their people to present but I'm still kind of wondering like why. 00:31.46 Heather Um. 00:40.74 Heather Why. 00:43.39 archpodnet What's the what's the point is it now and and just thinking to thinking logically about this. It does putting together a paper presentation. Even if you're not actually writing a paper because people when they really get into this they they actually write fewer papers I think and they they actually just unless you're publishing it somewhere but you're really putting together the presentation. Yeah because you know the material. 00:57.39 Heather Right? You just present? Yep, right? true. 01:02.49 archpodnet Um, you're not up there just like reading but either way does this just encourage you to really dive in and analyze the research and that benefits you in some other way and it benefits the the site or the project or something like that in some other way or is it really just kind of keeping your academic. Brain in a in Flex. You know what I mean and it's like going to the gym but for your break. 01:21.44 Heather Yeah, so so I think it's a yeah I mean the last part for me I think that that is a big part of it. Um I think you know we work hard at our company to still have this academic. Perspective on archeology. Um, we don't want to put that aside and just be doing C R M Um, and so because of that our company is very supportive of us still looking at things from a scholarly point of view. Um, and so not just plain. 01:39.60 archpodnet Sure. 01:56.84 Heather You know crm and so a lot of the work that we do. You know we're we're allowed passion projects for allowed projects that you know we do that. There's some portions of it that we kind of eat you know Costwise Um, so that we can do ah a a really. 02:07.30 archpodnet Your. 02:13.63 Heather Good job at looking at the site that isn't really required from a regulatory perspective but from a scholarly perspective and in some ways some people would say an ethical perspective. We are going be above and beyond what we really actually need to do Um, the other thing is marketing So the more that you're. 02:27.42 archpodnet Okay. 02:33.27 Heather That you're seen as being you know out of a you know more? ah know just more of a scholarly level as an archeologist. Yeah, now that definitely it helps and it's not the only thing right? There are some companies that they. 02:40.56 archpodnet Yeah, more forward Ph facing. No. 02:52.12 Heather I Think they kind of shoot themselves in the foot because they're just looking at that from that perspective and don't understand that it's a combination of things that make you a strong C or M Presence. So. The other thing is also that ah even outside of archeology from the environmental firm. The planners, The ceqa practitioners. There are separate conferences. There's business conferences and so our company treats these conferences the ses and essay as a business conference just like they would and they actually see it as like they love the archeology conferences because they're so much cheaper than than these. Larger you know planning environmental conferences. So yeah, so they they actually are more willing to have a larger presence because they get a lot more bang in their perspective a lot more bang for the Buck. So It's a lot of its marketing and supporting us having. 03:31.30 archpodnet Oh yeah. 03:45.58 archpodnet Um. 03:47.60 Heather A more scholarly presence rather than just seeerum. 03:49.74 archpodnet Yeah. 03:50.18 Bill White And I think also the other thing when it comes to CRM is that no one will ever find out what you did if you don't give a presentation because it's going to go in some report that'll get hidden in some shipo somewhere and no one will ever know what you did. 04:02.49 archpodnet Yeah, well. 04:05.41 Heather Well, that's part of we're actually taking some of the work that we do and we we do publish. Um, you know there's some of us that have published like little um, se um, you know, edited compilations right of papers and so I mean. Yeah I guess I'm fortunate I'm sure not all companies are like that. But. 04:22.94 archpodnet Um. 04:25.58 archpodnet Well I got a follow up to that. But Andrew let's hear what you got to say first. 04:31.25 Andrew Um, oh I was just going to largely agree with this I really like Heather's take on the regional conferences. Um I do think for anyone thinking of going to their first conference or thinking of presenting I totally think you should do it I think it's a great rite of passage to have. 04:46.18 Heather Yeah I agree. 04:47.45 Andrew Um, you don't have to do the tripaas the first time they're super expensive ones do a local one It's great I always bully my students towards like come on. Do it, try it out just do one because then you're kind of in the system you know and you can say you've done. It. The other thing. I would say in terms of the positive side of going to conferences. It's good to get a lay of the land. It's good to see people who are ahead of you just a step or 2 you know, not these ah fabled figures that you see on television or you read in your textbook. It's like here's real people who are maybe two years ahead of you. 05:14.91 archpodnet In here. 05:23.28 Andrew Maybe 4 years ahead of you. You know you'd be like okay I could be them in 4 years you know you can bring your ah sort of your your dreams to the ground level and be and see the steps forward in to how to get better at this stuff. 05:24.61 Heather Ah, here. 05:38.45 Heather Excellent Wayne. Yeah. 05:40.65 archpodnet I've had textbooks autographed at conferences by the authors. 05:46.38 Andrew I me too me too I have Brian Fagan's ah autograph on several. 05:49.80 archpodnet Ah, nice. Nice. 05:51.33 Heather Yeah I I think Andrew is spot on because that's what I mean well I was one of your students right? You encouraged me to do that. It's when you know just depends on what your background and your life experience is. There's a lot of people that would be looking at these conferences and there's a lot of glorification. A lot of you know, just hero worship right in archeology and it makes it feel like it's unattainable and it's hard for you to relate and think I could be that someday. Then you go to a conference and you see some person reading from their paper and you're like oh my gosh I could totally do better than that you know and so yeah I I think it's I definitely think it's a really good place to find out where you sit. 06:27.55 archpodnet Um, yeah, yeah. 06:40.34 archpodnet Well as we go into 2023 at the end of this episode. Um I think this is Andrew's last episode because I just heard heather say that he's basically distracting to people because of his elevated stature. Um, he's ah taken away from our primary message. So sorry about that Andrew. 06:48.59 Bill White Her. 06:50.96 Andrew It's It's true. It's true I'm sorry I just it happens when you get so important and huge as I am you know so I just don't worry I'll remember the little people I will remember them right. 06:56.10 archpodnet Um, ah. 07:01.34 archpodnet That's right, That's right, You know what. I Got to go back to presenting at the conference though because I've had a thing for a long time now where I'm just like because I've been to other conferences I've been to podcasting conferences which is one of the other bigger industries that I've gone to conferences for and those are. 07:07.53 Heather Um. 07:22.48 archpodnet Probably 70% networking 30% sitting and listening to somebody speak and even the ones where you sit and listen to somebody speak. It's often a panel and there's often like 45 minutes allotted to it with you know, 20 minutes of the panel and 25 minutes of discussion at the end and it's very huge on the value side of things whereas. 07:34.22 Heather Um, yeah. 07:41.86 archpodnet I've seen so many people in their first maybe second conference that are giving a paper and the worst thing at like the essay is a 4 day conference to have your paper on Saturday or even Sunday saturday I feel like is almost worse because nobody's even going to show up to it on Sunday least Saturday some people might go but. 07:52.27 Heather Yeah. 08:00.13 archpodnet The worst that's the worst thing because you don't spend any time doing anything. They're just sitting outside in the hallway or or somewhere just trying to finish their paper right? like so many people show up and they're just they're not doing the conference they're doing this paper so 15 people can hear what they have to say and probably fight to stay awake while they're doing it and. 08:09.39 Heather Um, yeah, true I've done that. 08:19.58 archpodnet It's just yeah, that goes back to what you said Heather about you know companies sending people to the conference and I'm like man all the things we try to get companies to pay for I've had arguments with companies before over like a boot allowance and the types of boots and things like that like stupid petty little stuff like that and then down to something like. 08:33.75 Bill White Yeah, yeah. 08:39.31 archpodnet You know how many people I've talked to about when I was basically doing sales for wild note for archeology and they're like oh well this is too expensive but you'll spend $10000 to spend to send 5 people to the essays. So 40 people can hear their research go to hell seriously I mean why are you spending money like this. 08:51.60 Heather Well yeah, my company doesn't do that though. No I I I agree I agree with you on that if that's the case like my company doesn't do that like they're generous across the board. So you know maybe that's not the case. 08:58.17 Bill White Ah. 09:05.60 archpodnet I hear you but it. 09:09.56 Heather For for everyone I would say one of the things you know that I've told people is that when you go to the s or whatever you go to whatever conference look at who is there don't automatically think that this is a really good you know company just because they're at the conference but look at. 09:18.48 archpodnet Yeah. 09:27.27 Heather Okay, see who's here who is investing in trying to get their name out there who's investing in trying to find people right? So that is an investment on a company's part then you have to look a little bit deeper to make sure there's no other red flags. But I think it's a good indicator if you seek. 09:38.29 archpodnet Yeah. 09:46.55 Heather If you if you see companies that especially if they're investing in a smaller regional um conference I think it's a good indicator. Maybe they're a company that invests in their people. 09:56.51 archpodnet Yeah, well, that's not that's real quick bill. That's not wrong because that when you said that the first thing that comes to my mind about all the conferences I've been to in the last probably five or 6 years. The first company that comes to my mind is far western they present everywhere all the time and it's just. 10:01.93 Bill White Um, but it. 10:14.50 Heather Yeah, but and they're known for having that we actually we use them as ah as an example, they're known for having a much more scholarly approach. They're respected. 10:15.51 archpodnet They're in my brain because of it. You know what? I mean. 10:21.13 archpodnet Yeah, well they got 40 ph ds working for him. 10:24.54 Bill White Yeah, well and also you know far western also has played a huge role in a lot of people in California's career they've hired a lot of people a lot of people worked for them. 10:28.91 Heather Yeah. 10:32.28 archpodnet Oh yeah, oh. 10:34.48 Heather Yep. 10:37.30 Bill White And then they go on to work for other companies and move across the state. So they they are really invested in the state and in the region. So yeah, yeah, and you know so maybe we should take this up in segment three because. 10:41.22 archpodnet Yeah, the other for sure. 10:44.47 Heather They're a good example of company that does it write? yeah. 10:52.70 Bill White So far. The value is coming from the locals right? like the the regional in the state. What do we get out of the what do we get out of the aaas. What do we get out of the s essay and SH like what what we getting out of the huge international ones. 10:53.79 archpodnet The. 10:56.78 Andrew Ah, by far. 11:05.40 archpodnet Um, yeah. 11:07.20 Andrew I can actually I I have a very short answer that I would say um whenever one of those big ones is near you just go and don't be a member just sneak in I've done that like a hundred times and I know you're like have you no shame. But. 11:13.75 Heather Local. Yes, yeah. 11:24.22 Bill White Yeah, but I said. 11:24.25 Andrew No I don't have any shame because they cost hundreds of dollars so I am the I am the master of like showing up for a single day. Yeah I'm going to miss the plenary session of I'm gonna miss the silent auction I'll get over it. You know, but I just go in I make my connections you know i. 11:39.95 archpodnet Um, yeah. 11:44.40 Andrew Talk to my friends I go see a few talks and then I'm gone and I just I Highly recommend doing that. Don't don't worry that you haven't paid just go in. You're an archeologist you belong there. 11:44.71 Bill White Um, yeah. 11:46.20 archpodnet M. 11:55.56 Bill White Yeah, but the essay has got guardians now and you know it's also a good idea to have guardians because then the ancient Aliens folks all show up with you know, ah aluminum foil hats and and protest signs about real science and stuff. So I don't know about the show up and do whatever you want. 11:58.87 archpodnet Um, well and I. 11:59.44 Andrew Um, if. 12:02.33 Heather Faith. 12:07.91 Andrew I haven't seen that though. Yeah. 12:08.10 archpodnet Yeah, we need to. 12:11.82 Bill White Yeah, because there's guardians at the conference that keep them out right? So well, you must have taken off your aluminum foil hat temporarily. They couldn't see who you were. 12:16.29 archpodnet Um, I Just want to go to the. 12:16.46 Andrew Um, they never kept me out. So. 12:22.23 Andrew No I wore it with pride. But. 12:24.71 Heather Um. 12:27.35 archpodnet I may go to the next as say is just to see Michael Balter walk Graham Hancock out of the building because I I'm pretty sure that's going to happen. So um, well you know he's goingnna get in the way I was going to mention which is you can get with Andrew personally yeah I mean he's just Goingnna walk right in with him. But. 12:33.87 Bill White Ah, Graham Hancock how's he gonna get in with Andrew that would be your personal guest. You know your plus 1 12:41.19 Andrew Yes, yes, yes I. 12:45.32 archpodnet But no listen if if funding is an issue you can get with a buddy um because they're not going to say anything whether it's male. Male female female. They don't care right? because it's anthropology. Everybody's accepted. So but I'm pretty sure you can still get like a spouse in um or a like domestic partner for like twenty five bucks 13:01.70 Heather Yes, but. 13:03.58 Bill White But well you you you may be able to. However, if you're my wife you will know that if there's an archeology conference like that's the 1 place to stay away from and like you know oh all right? got it. 13:05.20 archpodnet So you know. 13:12.91 archpodnet no no no I'm talking about 2 field techs just going in and saying that's my partner. Yeah, so all right? Let's let's talk about some other conferences and possibly even some international ones on the other side of the break in segment three back in a minute. 13:16.64 Heather You know.