00:00.00 archpodnet I mean it got it mostly done. Okay here we go welcome with the show you everyone joining me today is bill in California Heather in California Doug in Scotland. 00:06.76 Bill Good morning. Everyone. 00:11.65 Heather Hi everyone hi. 00:16.88 Doug So everyone. 00:19.20 archpodnet And Andrew sorry let me say and doctor waxing his surfboard andrew can Kela in Southern California yes we don't often record the stuff before we hit recording. But. 00:26.11 Andrew So bros. 00:37.40 archpodnet You know we were just talking about community college life in Southern California so I think I think we nailed it so that that might come up today. We'll talk about it but our topic for today. Yeah. 00:42.45 Bill Yeah, primarily how it's part. Well you know if you're in Southern California it's part surfing and some learning I'm not going to say what percentage is surfing versus archeology but surfing is involved. We definitely now know. 00:52.66 archpodnet Right? right. 00:57.22 Andrew Right? And the downside which which part of this is the downside I don't know. Do you think you can tell me lighter offline. 00:57.84 archpodnet Yes. 01:02.37 Bill I Don't know me either besides I can't surf. That's the only downside I. 01:08.71 archpodnet Yeah, well Berkeley is part part learning and part protesting so you know there you go um right right? It's all right? So the topic for today. We we have a slack team that we communicate on for. 01:11.62 Bill I Yeah I'm good at those things and. 01:13.29 Heather I. 01:23.69 archpodnet You know this show and and to talk about what we're going to do and Doug brought up friendships and professionalism. So doug why don't you give us an idea what you were talking about there. 01:34.31 Doug Yeah, well a couple thoughts in there but like just to throw it out there to begin with it was the idea of you know, obviously you been a good portion of your life probably about a third of you know your week. Um at work. With your colleagues and so there's a good chance. You're going to make friendships. Um, and how do you guys feel about that in um, in archeology so friendships. Both of like you know, making your wider sort of friendships but also working with your friends. Um. 01:52.39 archpodnet My man. 02:11.54 Doug Do you guys have any sort of strict. Ah you know, friendly, but no friendships or do you actually like to go see your co-workers outside of work and hang out. Um, apparently if you're Andrew just surf all the time. But for everyone else, um, maybe. Ah, Chris Rv Rv Buddies I'm not sure what what everyone does in their free time. Obviously we're not friends outside of the podcast. So I don't know what you guys do in your spare time. But that's a question I just throw out to you guys and we'll take it from there. So. 02:35.51 Bill Um. 02:44.16 Bill Yeah, that's a great question. What's crazy is when I did cultural resources I had a lot of people I worked with that were my friends that I hung out with not so much at all since I work at University like. 02:44.82 archpodnet Love. 02:59.64 Bill It's almost as if I just make sure to stay away from everyone except for a couple of folks at work and. 03:06.67 archpodnet Yeah I ah would almost agree I mean I've got some friends that I've made through crm that I'm still friends with and we still do occasional things together with um, you know, mostly virtually to be honest like Richie ah Richie Cruise who him and I do the we do this. Live stream on the apn channel on Facebook every once in a while and on his Youtube channel. So we we keep in touch that way. But you know to be honest, yeah, most of them. Ah, the only friend I really met on a project that I still occasionally talked to is my wife actually she um we met. We met on my very first project and but only for like a couple days and then the project got shut down for winter but then coincidentally we were both on a project in downtown Miami which I'm sure I've talked about on this show in the past but that was a six month six or seven months we were there together and and that's when we got to kind of know each other and it wasn't that time but a little bit later. You know we started dating and then. Yeah, we've been together since that was in that was in 2005 that we met on that first project and then 2006 was basically the Miami project. So yeah, a long time ago, but there's still through the magic of social media I do keep in touch with. Occasionally you know a lot of other people. But I don't I don't know if I would call those friendships to be honest with you. What about you doug. 04:22.54 Doug But so well I was actually to ask Chris is that like through so Bill said his was a bit more by choice but is that through choice Chris is it just something that sort of happens or do you have like a sort of rule of you know? um I keep keep work work. 04:37.95 archpodnet Now. 04:39.22 Doug Ah, Social-s social sort of thing or is it just how it sort of happened so it also kind of I guess kind of the nature of of crm as well when you're especially I guess it it differs from different parts of your career where you know when you're when you're starting out. 04:44.68 archpodnet Um, yeah. 04:55.77 Doug You're going to be friendly with people but then like you know the project might end after three weeks and you may not see these people again for another 10 years if you even do or ever again. Um, you know it was sort of did you have like a rule or. 04:58.56 archpodnet Yeah, right? Well yeah, and I would say part of it I definitely not no, no structured thing. The only thing I would say is you know I try not to. Burn bridges unless they're bridges I really don't ever want to cross again right? There's definitely some people that we've all worked with that. You know you just I just don't care to talk to those people ever again, right? So I'm not going to reach out and try to be friends with them. I don't really unfriend people on Facebook unless they're really pissing me off and it's just stuff I don't want to see if they're just like a big spammer. You know as far as social media goes, but that being said I also you know those people like you just said Doug it might be a three week project and 10 years You know you don't speak to them for 10 years but in ten years One of those. People might be in a position to give you a job. You know what? I mean they might be in a a full time job at a company. They might have moved up in the world and and you know maybe you have too and they need another project manager now you're a project manager I don't know you you just never know what's going to happen because this field is so dynamic and so so changing you just want to. Want to keep those doors open now I I wouldn't say you want to do it somewhat artificially like I have a lot of people that reach out to me on ah Facebook and sometimes Twitter but mostly Facebook that say ah hey no no high how you doing we haven't spoken in 10 years or you know. 06:28.51 archpodnet Something like that. What's going on just I'm looking for work. Do you have a job for me or do you know anybody that's that's hiring I'm like why am I the person you're asking for that first off but second like hi how's it going. We haven't talked in a while like even if I did have a job I probably wouldn't give it to you because I haven't heard from you in 10 years What are you doing to me right now. Um, so yeah, from a professionalism standpoint I would say you know keep those doors open keep those bridges open. So so to speak. But it's just ah, yeah, it's just ah, you know keep it going and and Doug I see that you say. We're no longer fb friends but I know we were in the past and you probably unfriended me because you're hardly on Facebook to begin with you probably just went through an unfriend and a whole bunch of people to be honest and then it's like your wife and like your mom. 07:15.25 Doug Chris I was I was a hundred percent I was hundred percent joke and bad I was hundred percent joke and I'm pretty sure we're still Facebook fred. 07:16.58 Bill Ah. 07:19.42 Bill I got to find my password to log in I need to figure out how to log into Facebook I'm hiding I'm a lurker. Yeah. 07:23.79 archpodnet You haven't seen you on their lately bill either. Yeah. 07:34.24 Heather Ah, you're on every now and then yeah. 07:37.60 Doug Yeah I should also say ah just to make it clear like um to make distinction is like obviously I think we're all recommending being friendly with your coworkers, but it's sort of taking that extra step of friendship where you consider someone a friend as opposed to just. 07:46.75 Heather Sure. 07:55.25 Doug Um, friendlyest or like we all have like a large social network of acquaintances who we are friendly with but these are not people that you would normally call up and hang out with outside of you know, conferences or work and stuff like that and that's that's more what I'm talking about is. 08:12.28 Bill Um, yeah. 08:13.97 Doug People who you would see outside of work interactions on a more regular basis that. 08:20.66 Heather Um I struggle with this for a little while and then I just let it go. Um, so we have a team and we work together. Um, like we're very communicative so we have various different. 08:36.21 Heather Platforms that we talk to each other we text we have Zoom that the Zoom really took off you know during covid like for everyone else and phone calls and our team like we are the there's probably texts that are going on. We probably have like a hundred texts over the day. Ah between all of us and then we text we also have. You know, text group chat and we just genuinely like each other In fact I would say you know we love each other really and we are one team we go through a lot together. We've gone through a lot over the years and the people that come into our team. Um, you know we've had some people come and go. We have some people that are still on our personal private um group chat so we have we've kind of played around with having 2 different chats but they always kind of you know we mix them up and you know for a while because I'm I'm the lead right? I supervise everybody that's in on the team. And there were times where I thought to myself am I supposed to separate myself. Um, this is difficult. But then I realized you know the reason our team is so tight and the reason why we are so effective. Um is because we care for each other um deeply and when. 09:38.37 archpodnet Ah, yeah. 09:51.23 Heather It's worked I mean we've all gone through difficult times in our lives and we've filled in for each other and the reason our team has stayed together for so long is because they have that flexibility because people genuinely care and there is this There is this trust with each other and so. You know I look at supervision as a as coach as a coach I I don't look at it like I'm here to to kind of lure it over you and to make sure you're doing everything you're supposed to be doing. Um, if you're doing it right? and you establish a relationship where. 10:28.13 Heather You're more of a coach and you're helping people you know, guide them through their professional life and then the the good work will come with that and so I thought you know what? if you're a coach. There's something wrong with being a friend you know and so. I Kind of there was a while where I struggled with and I thought am I allowing am I blurring lines here that is going to be and have a negative side and um it I don't think so I've decided that I'm just not going to worry about that Anymore. Of Course. You know there are some people that treat friendships a little differently. Um, you know I don't bear my soul to people. Um, there are certain levels of friends that I do um and one of them is ah as a coworker. But for the most part you know I I found that line. And maybe I stretch it farther than most but to me, it's been a real positive and there's no escaping it you work so especially with how many hours I Work. It's just um, it's Impossible. Do I have friends outside of work. Absolutely I do have a great friend network outside of work but I deeply care and Love. My team and we are true friends outside of work. 11:45.50 Bill Yeah, I'm thinking that that sounds like a situation I haven't necessarily ever had at work especially in archeology. Ah, but there. 11:47.88 Heather You know what? The funny thing is is that our team we're from all different I think one key is we're from all different worlds. Really we have all grown up very differently. We have different perspectives on life which actually makes our our group really dynamic and fun. Um, and but there are certain things we never talk About. We never talk about politics and we've never said we're going. We're not going to talk about Politics. It's an understood and that is a key. 12:24.34 Bill Um, yeah. 12:26.81 Heather I think especially in work and I I do think that that is as far as professionalism goes I think that that's something that has been lost over the years um in the professional circles and I really think that not talking about certain topics. Um, that. 12:34.55 Bill Where. 12:45.96 Heather We used to you know back in the day would say at the dinner you know at family at family dinners right? You don't talk politics and you don't talk religion or you know the kind of the joke or in in a work setting and you know we're anthropologists so not talking about religion is hard but um. And even politics that's that's hard. But I do think that there's certain certain lines that that you have to be careful not to cross and you know even if people are let's say politics. Even if people are aligned with you and and believe the same thing you do. There's a certain level that you need to. You need to draw with yourself in a professional environment and you don't go past that because when you do that? Even if people may agree with you. They're still going to say Okay, you know you you actually as a professional have to you have to I think you have to demonstrate that you. Know that there's like right we have code switching that we talk about in that anthropology that we know the environment we're in and we draw that line like that's clear that there are certain things. We're not going to talk about and I do think that when you do when you cross over that line that um you know you Alien. You alienate others you alienate yourself and I do think that that is something that's important that the people coming up in the business need to understand in this day and age where we're talking about politics all the time I do not think in a business setting is the best idea. 14:14.84 Bill Yeah I can I can definitely hear that and my job is like now it's basically politics. It's like all anyone ever wants to talk about but I feel like personality is the critical piece. 14:21.99 Heather Yeah, right? yeah. 14:30.16 Bill You know there are some people that you can talk about that kind of stuff but because you have personalities you know you know you work well together with that person or you know you relate to that person really well that I think that's the the key piece etiquette is good but you know the folks that are my friends that. You know we did archeology Together. We met at work. Those are folks that our personalities worked out well and that's how we've remained friends over these many years. 15:00.11 Andrew Yeah I Just so I just have to say that you know you guys are all so serious in everything when I'm not surfing I'm making friends there. That's what I'm doing so like what I would say is I think that friendship is vital. You know in the in the workplace. 15:00.47 archpodnet Ah. 15:00.57 Doug So I. 15:10.76 Bill I. 15:18.20 Andrew Although you are talking to somebody who met his wife at new faculty orientation right? when I when I started at Moore Park College um I have a couple really deep friendships that I've made at the college and what's so great is a place like Moore Park is small enough where like I go motorcycle riding with the chemistry professor. Um. 15:20.70 archpodnet Nice. 15:38.16 Andrew I've been working on a screenplay with a theater professor you know and it's kind of like Bill was saying. There's just there's a handful of personalities that I meet and I really get along well with and it's cool to talk with these people because you kind of have. You have a mutual understanding in this case, you're both college professors in this crm world. You're both archaeologists. You know? So I think it's pretty easy to form really lasting important friendships in these worlds. 16:03.76 archpodnet All right? Well okay. 16:04.21 Doug I was good so before jumping into the break I was just going to ask questions to sort of Heather and Andrew as you guys tend to be the ones who have have friendships at work have you guys ever so. Ah, this is from a personal experience and not archeology related. But um, the job. How I met my wife. It was quite an intense job where we all lived together. Um, it was new student orientation so we were orientating the new students in undergrad. Um, and they designed it. You know lots of team building. Everyone was really close 20 really close people. Everyone were friends. We hung out on weekends and stuff and it was good so we did it for a couple of years and the first year no problems even with people having relationships and stuff like that and breaking up nothing like that. But. Um, one of the other members who basically everyone was friends with ended up getting fired um and it caused a lot of issues in that everyone thought it was unfair and it basically turned everyone against um, the management as it were because it wasn't just. You know someone getting fired one of your coworkers. It was your really good friend getting fired um for a reason that no one particularly thought was valid. Um, and it was it was a technicality basically and so have you guys run into as well with um. 17:31.26 archpodnet What's the question doug. 17:34.83 Doug Yeah, I'm getting there I'm getting there. Um have you guys run into as well. Like if you're having friends at work. How does that influence anything when things go bad or the next like ah round of layoffs at like the California State University I don't know there's a term for it. But you guys you know all your California schools. 17:55.00 archpodnet Okay, you guys are going to answer that question on the other side of the break because we are at the end of segment one and on the other side. We'll get the answer to that question because I've got a response to that as well and we will also find out if Andrew is. His screenplay that he's writing if he's writing himself into the next Indiana Jones series which I'm guessing is probably true so we'll talk. Ah, we'll talk about we'll talk about that on the other side of the break back in a minute. 18:14.38 Heather But of course he is of course he is. You knew the answer to that Chris. 18:17.81 Andrew Ah, da.