00:00.00 archpodnet Welcome back to Theererm Arc Podcast episode 2 60 hope you're not disfat dissatisfied with us yet. We're talking about action in the workplace and what causes it and help get rid of it. But Andrew you had some comments what I was saying on the end of segment 1 00:14.64 Heather Yeah. 00:15.43 Andrew Yeah, it's good I'm here to bring everybody back up with my life coaching skills. So ah, in terms you know this is just what I've seen over the years in in crm. 00:19.27 archpodnet Oh. 00:29.00 Andrew Um, in terms of kind of the job dissatisfaction thing because we know it's a real thing and we see so many people get kind of like better. Um, but for younger people out there I think there's ah, there's a couple ways to to deal with this just to to know the score. Um I think. I Think so many of us we want to invest in our job and um define ourselves as our Job. You know we talking about the college professor thing you know and how how it has a kind of romance to it and being a Cm archaeologist has its own romance too. Actually it sounds very cool like if you're talking to other people. What do you do? I'm an archeologist. Wow. 00:57.29 archpodnet Um, sure. 01:02.82 archpodnet It starts that way. Yeah. 01:04.84 Andrew That's that's really awesome, but um I think the hard part for a lot of people getting into serum is they're in academia and then they kind of go into the serum world and they don't have that business sense to treat it like just as a business if that makes sense and I know it's hard, especially when you're young. 01:19.32 archpodnet Man. 01:21.89 Heather Ah, hey. 01:23.26 Andrew It's hard but you got to be like you got to get a lay of the land like okay what are the seven C R M firms that are working locally. Um which ones are the good ones which ones are the bad ones which ones are good fit for me if it's not going well um, have enough knowledge about other local Crm firms to reach out to another one quit the first one and then like move to the better one and it's just when you quit they'll try and give you grief and you're just like hey man just business and they'll hire you back when they need you, you know what? I mean they always do um ah. 01:49.35 archpodnet On it. 01:59.72 Andrew The other thing I notice is especially with young people. They don't come in thinking about the structure of crm. Um, how you can start in the field versus in the office. What are the like levels of Crm. Um, they just have a vague outlook of like oh I just want to be in archeology. So even if you just. Something as simple as knowing those levels know what it takes to move up in crm um, um, is that something you want being honest with yourself. You know, ah that kind of stuff I know it sounds like it's cliche written but like I see so many people not knowing the structure of crm as a business. 02:29.87 archpodnet Um. 02:39.33 Andrew And dealing with it as a business because I think if you can you you will be less dis at dissatisfied because you are dealing with it in reality and not with a dream where you're that with the dream That's not even based on how it really works and that. 02:53.78 archpodnet Right. 02:55.42 Heather Yeah, and. 02:56.80 Andrew And then my my last bit in terms of retirement and stuff you can do it even if you have very little money like ah we had a podcast on that fairly recently right? How to invest which you really can very little money anyway, Heather what's up. 03:01.38 Heather Yeah I was I was gonna say that you know just along this line of thinking is that you have to have goals. You have to get you have You can't just yeah and I see a lot of this where people are just. 03:04.71 archpodnet Her. 03:15.73 Andrew Yep. 03:20.33 Heather Just jumping into the workplace and expecting the employer or somebody else to have to lay out this. You're going to do this and then you're going to do this and then you're going to do this now in your day-to-day function in the task that you have to do yes but when it comes to your career that is up to you. To? do um and you can't just be a bystander in your own career. So part of the dissatisfaction is that people don't have this mark that they're working towards um I think that even goes into when it comes to money like if you don't know. 03:43.90 Andrew So true. Jesus? Oh yeah. 03:57.25 archpodnet Ah. 03:58.40 Heather Really haven't done your homework and you don't know Really what is a fair market value for you with your skill set at this time in your career. You're going to be dissatisfied with any money that you make really so you have to have a good sense of what. 04:03.30 Andrew And. 04:11.45 archpodnet Yeah. 04:17.95 Heather Is reasonable for where you live and like you know I see this a lot posted. Well you know they're making seventeen an hour in ah in I don't know Missouri I am just picking a state and and they're making you know twenty five thirty an hour in California. Well i. 04:30.57 archpodnet Um, yeah. 04:36.77 Heather I would actually venture to say that seventeen an hour in Missouri probably goes further than thirty an hour in California you know and so you know there's so many aspects to what you make an hour in in this industry now I'm not saying 17 hours okay but 04:41.45 archpodnet Mine. 04:42.65 Andrew That's probably true. 04:55.30 Heather What I'm saying is you have to look and really do your homework. What is it? What does it take this what kind of life. Do I want number one. What do I want right now and you have to be reasonable. You are 22 years old. You just finished your college experience. You have a degree and you have no skills. I Have news for you. You have no skills. You have no practical skills I shouldn't say none but you do have a limited practical skills because you haven't exercised this knowledge that you have gained which is that's what the workforce. That's what entry level jobs are for.. It's for you. 05:18.30 archpodnet Yeah. 05:28.63 archpodnet Yeah. 05:31.39 Heather Get a practical sense of what you just learned in school so now look at that and say okay I I want to have this life be reasonable. What is that going to take what number is that going to take and then you aim at that number if people did this so more methodically. Think they would be much more satisfied because you'd be like okay I make that Mark great now. What's my next goal but a lot of people don't do that. They just want to sit back and let the company do it for them and then complain when they're not. 05:58.14 archpodnet Yeah. 05:59.59 Andrew And. 06:06.93 Andrew Yeah, they just I Love that word Methodically like that's what it is. You know you can't be passive. You have to have a method to your future. You know I that is the perfect term methodically. So. 06:07.19 Heather Playing for the sake of complaining. Oh. 06:10.28 archpodnet Oh. 06:14.48 Heather On that. 06:21.34 archpodnet I I think a part of this though is also something I didn't actually realize until I started working more full time full time in another field. It's not even archeology related and it's it's more about. To me, it's and it's it's less about like what number am I shooting for in this field but it's more about what kind of lifestyle do I want to live and you can't just say I want to live in a $25000000 mansion right? because that's not realistic, but but like I know I know but that's not to say that shouldn't be 1 of those far off goals right? I mean that that. 06:42.63 Heather Right? You exactly right? keep shooting for the stars. Andrew. 06:47.14 Andrew So what? damn it. 06:56.51 Andrew Ah, that. 06:56.54 archpodnet Could be a goal but it can't be the first step in your goal right? that has to be that has to be step 100 because you could get there through various means but realistically what do I want right now for my lifestyle and you know for me I mean to be honest with you. Ah, you know archeology simply wasn't cutting it. 06:58.43 Heather Yeah. 07:14.88 archpodnet And there was a lot of opportunities that I had and a lot of different things I could do I could have easily you know, worked for somebody else and and and you know probably been a project manager and been doing these things but I'm like well do I want to be working 60 hours a week and still kind of making this amount of money. Maybe a little bit more. Like is that worth it for my lifestyle to me that wasn't right and I wanted something else that would allow me to work from home. You know, full time work from anywhere and because my home is mobile and and just you know, be able to do whatever I want to do and whenever I want to do it take time off when I want to take time off I don't like asking people for time off. Really don't I never have that's why I've been an entrepreneur and a business owner my whole life pretty much and and I just I want to control those things but that's what makes me happy. You know what? I mean so if security and going into a job and seeing your coworkers every day makes you happy then that's. 07:53.65 Heather And I hear. 08:10.60 archpodnet What you have to find as long as you can do it and pay your bills and maybe there's some upward mobility. But then some people don't even want that they just want something that's nice and secure and consistent. You know and that's and that's what makes them happy. So I think finding that out for your own self is the first thing you've got to do otherwise you're always going to be dissatisfied. With whatever you're doing because it doesn't make you happy and you know along those lines one of the notes I wrote was entrepreneurship I feel like I feel like in the United States especially we have this. We have this kind of feeling that. In order to really be successful. You have to start your own job. You have to start your own business. You have to do your own thing. You have to be your own boss. We hear that all the time and it's just first off, not true I mean it could be but it's really hard so you you have to be willing to go through that journey to create your own things because there's a lot of stress and a lot of. 08:45.99 Heather I. 09:03.58 archpodnet Hardship on the way there unless you invent something that everybody wants which is you know that's a one in a million but it's it's really difficult to go off on your own and do that and it might not be what you thought it was going to be but it could be. You know it very well could be. But I feel like a lot of people might be thinking about that. Especially if a little bit of dissatisfaction creeps into their workplace. Whatever they're doing and they've got this great idea or this thing that they're kind of doing and maybe have done a little bit of in the past and they keep thinking well if I could just devote a little more time to this then. I could make it really take off. You know I don't know how many times I've had that thought you know what I mean if I could just focus a little more on this thing like the archeology podcast network I could say no to everything else and you know what the fact is it's true, but it's really hard to get there. It's really hard to do that. Yeah. 09:48.16 Heather Right. 09:49.40 Andrew Nailed yep, it's it's it's very tough and you know Chris I mean that was just a lot of philosophy for a Sunday morning. You know that was that was tough on me. But I think you nailed it with yeah I think you nailed it with that though because just with your experiences and and what you said you talked about. 09:52.90 archpodnet Ander. 10:00.66 archpodnet That's as religious as I get. 10:07.89 archpodnet Yeah. 10:08.94 Andrew Depths that just goes along with the methodically thing we said before you know it's like ah you sat there. You're like you know what in order to be happy I thought deeply about this I thought about what steps it would take you know I mean I remember I've probably told the story here at some point. Ah my big deal like. Twenty years ago Twenty five years ago was to be a teaching assistant like that was my fricking dream right? I was like if I could only be a teaching assistant that is the coolest thing ever and when I finally was like it was such a feeling of accomplishment and it's a. 10:35.77 archpodnet Ah. 10:40.30 archpodnet Right. 10:47.32 Andrew It's about those kinds of steps for yourself of noting those steps and then making the step and then getting to the next 1 right? It's that's it's funny. It's so simple but tough at the same time but those are the. 10:56.78 archpodnet Um, yeah. 11:04.40 Andrew That's what matters that deep dive what do I truly want again insert every cliche but that's that's what matters like make the list make the list today for yourself. What do you want out of life. You know. 11:05.84 archpodnet Ah. 11:15.16 archpodnet and and I think you can check off some of those boxes by working for a seam company and being in this job right? because if you're yeah if you're if you're looking at ah you know, maybe even some small investments like we've talked about like drop $10 into stash every week or something like that you know or whatever investment thing you want. 11:18.88 Andrew Yeah, yeah. 11:31.98 archpodnet It's it's low risk I mean depending on what you're investing in but it's low. But if you're only dropping $10 a week and then you lose all that yeah you know that's okay, that could happen right? but but it still gives you that so that that little half step of accomplishment like I'm I'm providing for my future and the younger you are. 11:33.17 Andrew Yeah. 11:48.77 Andrew Um, yeah, yeah. 11:50.16 archpodnet The less you can put in right because you've got a lot more time to think about it if you're starting kind of like I did in my forty s then you've got less time. It's just biology. But and that's more stressful for me right? So if I had started doing this in my twenty s it would be. You know I would feel a lot less stress about it if I had done it right? But the point is. 11:58.12 Andrew Right? right. 12:06.83 Andrew Right. 12:09.64 archpodnet You can use your current job and see your current job as a good thing and as a as a step towards the goals that you want to have and you know I mean everybody knows whatever job you're in right now you're probably not going to retire from your whatever career you're in in that job. That's just not the culture we live in anymore and we try work is not. 20 to 30 years in 1 spot and then I retire. It's just not I mean more than likely like Heather you work for a great company but that company I mean statistically in the next ten years is probably going to be purchased by another company and will that company. 12:32.40 Andrew Um, right here. 12:38.34 Heather A. 12:44.48 archpodnet You know, still have the same culture will will everything you have right now that you like about your job still exist when that other company buys it I mean it's almost inevitable that it's going to get bought. 12:52.70 Heather Or you know I mean our company has changed. It's changed since you know we we were. You know it was a small company. It was had an ethos that was created by its founder and the people that he had hired um, early on which made this company. Great. 12:56.00 archpodnet Um, yeah. 13:10.50 archpodnet Yeah. 13:10.61 Heather Things change though you know we are now in Esop and you know there's definitely a shift you know and a lot of companies are going through this shift and it's not always positive. You know? Um, yeah I think I think we maybe take it on the other you know for the next segment but you know I think. 13:17.65 archpodnet Yeah. 13:30.90 Heather I Really would like to focus on I mean we're talking about being intentional and we're talking about like really putting a goal in front of us. But but I would also like to you know, ah talk about these these extras that that companies are starting. You know the culture and trying to. 13:36.56 archpodnet M. 13:48.82 Heather Create a culture that's positive and really is it positive you know is is is it effective and is it and is it necessary because now we're all we're opening up a whole when you start creating a culture like that you're putting a lot of a lot on your. 13:53.30 archpodnet Yeah. 14:08.61 Heather Personal satisfaction. Um in in the workplace that and yeah I'd like to talk a little bit more about that. 14:10.38 archpodnet Right? Let's yeah in segment 3 Let's definitely talk about that that work culture and that that they try to fix from the top down and then also that sense of community but in the last couple minutes of this episode sorry in the last couple minutes of this segment I want to talk about real quick. 14:15.18 Andrew Um. 14:22.53 Heather Um, yeah. 14:24.47 Andrew It. 14:29.35 archpodnet 1 of those things because Heather before we started recording. You were mentioning some of the articles coming down talking about. You know how do we fix? you know all these all these you know algorithmic solutions to try to fix you know culture in the workplace and dissatisfaction and stuff like that and sometimes it's oh we need more. You know. We need more you know celebrations and and company gatherings and things like that. But you know a lot of times companies have to really take a hard look within and look at the people that are managing the people that are dissatisfied and maybe the people that are managing those people right? It could just be You've got 1 shitty person in in ah in a position that is just. 14:49.20 Heather By. 14:55.70 Heather Yes, yes. 15:06.13 Heather Yes, right? Well, that's that's that's that's the problem is that these companies are trying to because you know a lot of times people become managers because they've been in the company for a long time. They have um. 15:06.59 archpodnet Either not equipped with the tools to manage effectively or just sucks at managing to begin with maybe they just don't have the attitude for it. 15:19.85 archpodnet Yeah, the progression. 15:23.93 Heather Committed themselves. Yeah, they've committed themselves as um I don't know I mean like they've said we we've bought into this company and we're gonna We're going to tow the company line and so the company from another perspective looks and says Okay, this is a good manager. 15:32.14 archpodnet Yeah. 15:43.40 Heather Or good material for for management and they hold on I mean you see it a lot where you have a toxic manager who is chasing people away and a company keeps them in their spot. Why is that it is really mind-boggling to me and to others which then. 15:47.60 archpodnet Yeah. 15:55.12 archpodnet Yeah. 16:02.16 Heather Just perpetuates um ah, additional departures. You know good people that you're losing because of 1 person and not that you need to get rid of that one person. Maybe that person needs to be shifted to another role. They're just not good in this role and you know I think part of it is is that. 16:06.26 archpodnet M. 16:14.67 archpodnet Yeah. 16:21.95 Heather You know you have it used to be managers for delegateators. Um, not that That's the right way to go I Don't think it was ever the right way to go to me managers are coaches managers are people that um you know help people grow as a professional and then because of that the work product is better. 16:26.49 archpodnet Ah. 16:41.88 Heather And in kind of a simplified way. But then when you have somebody who's just not a aimed toward that either. They're just a selfish person and they just want to be a manager because they want that title that happens a lot right? Um, and then then what a company does is they say okay well we're going to. 16:42.77 archpodnet Ah. 16:53.29 archpodnet Yeah. 17:00.61 Heather Going to make this person a good manager if their personality and if their intentions as a manager aren't pure. Yeah I don't care what kind of programs you put them through.. It's not going to Happen. You can have like I've seen it where you have a a manager who has been taught to care you should care. About the people that you're managing and so it's so disingenuous because you're sitting here as the employee and this person is trying is telling you that they really care about you. Um yet when you're talking. They're taking all these notes down about and you're sitting there going. Okay, what I'm. 17:28.33 Andrew Right. 17:33.95 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 17:36.28 Andrew Um, yeah. 17:38.22 Heather Like you're asking me to open up to you because you say you care about me but that what are you going to use against me later on down the pro you know and it's like you cannot create a good manager. You can you can? um you can take a raw skill set. 17:44.12 Andrew Ah, yeah. 17:50.11 archpodnet Ah. 17:50.33 Andrew Nope. 17:55.98 Heather And teach them how to become a better manager. But if somebody's not a good manager or their motivations are not pure or correct. Um you'll never change that. 18:05.28 archpodnet Yeah. 18:07.23 Andrew Yeah, that is the longest road you know I think Heather I think you put like the nail in the coffin in terms ah of this stuff I was just thinking about it and I think a terrible manager is the number 1 reason I left every job I ever had in crm. 18:21.28 Heather Here. Yep. 18:24.23 Andrew Like it was that that's it like even in even in Academia on archeology projects and stuff that it's almost I think it might be the only reason and I left plenty of things. It was that every time it was a horrible managers. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. 18:24.91 archpodnet Yeah. 18:34.43 Heather Yeah, yeah. 18:35.73 archpodnet Um, yeah, all right? Well on that cheerful note let's take our final break and come up come back on the other side and see if we can fix this back in a minute.