00:00.00 archpodnet Welcome back to the serm archeology podcast episode 2 78 and we are complaining about complaining on the internet and you know while we're doing this so you know there is. 00:09.75 Andrew Kinkella Hey. 00:10.57 Heather It's so. 00:15.27 archpodnet There is reason of course sometimes to to speak your mind and you should always do that and I think that's one of the reasons why like literally this morning I posted in the archaeale field text group because first off I'm a moderator so I can see everything and there's a large number of anonymous posts which we've talked about before and I've talked about. On the group and you know I kind of call out anonymous posts sometimes when I feel like they're ridiculous like somebody posted this thing about with an article like just an article they were wanting opinions on and they posted that anonymously and then deleted it for whatever reason after I had like 10 comments and I'm not sure what the reasons are there but I'm like. Are you afraid to actually give your opinion on this scientific journal article. Are you afraid to you know, post saying you're you're post for work. That's one of the things that we said we're going to bring up at the beginning of this show but I put up a post here and I was like listen you know employers especially should not get mad. Or feel offended if somebody says on social media hey does anybody know if there's any work here or over there or whatever's going on because of all the reasons we've stated here today you know, maybe you're looking for a skillset that the company just can't provide you. Maybe you're just unhappy. That's fine that not everything's a good fit right? It just that's the way it is. That's any job that you're going to have but employers really shouldn't get mad about that and if they are which I doubt a lot of them really are and I'm going to talk about that here in a second It's just um. 01:41.29 archpodnet It just seems like that's happening because of the social media effect right? So what we've been talking about here is there's there's a lot of comments on Facebook especially this arche field text group that are just overly negative about the field. There's some good ones too. Don't go me wrong. There's some good discussions. But. There's a lot of stuff where people are just unhappy and it's the it's the internet effect right? It's the the Yelp and Youtube review effect. It's just people only post when they're pissed off and they're negative and therefore the impression for people who maybe our new field comes in and says oh look at this. This is all just like super bad. 02:06.46 Heather He. 02:13.15 archpodnet Ah, my answer to that is have you ever been on the internet before because if you're if you're taking the opinions of these people who are posting negatively in this group as like the gospel in how cm archeology is and how this business is then you've clearly not been exposed to the internet and you know you've been living under a rock somewhere and just came out. I mean I'm part of I have a rv that is built by a company called Tiffin and to be honest, they're kind of high end rvs but we live in it full time and we wanted something that was built well and was going to last the long term so we spent a little more money on it after we sold our house. And they don't sell these new for less than like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars I mean they're expensive Rvs right? And that's like the cheapest one that's not even the one we have and I'm in a couple of these groups and it's just like for technical forums and and and issues and things like that and if you were just to read those to determine whether or not you wanted to buy this. Very expensive rv you'd never do it because you'd think oh my god these things are riddled with problems but they still opens of them a year and like nobody has problems right? like the few people that do yeah sure it's a factory your your house is undergoing a 2.0 earthquake every time you drive it some of the systems are going to break. That's just what's going to happen. 03:07.64 Heather Yeah. 03:25.62 archpodnet But for the most part It's all right? They're good. They're Well-buil They have a good reputation but not on social media and that's literally any group right? Literally any group literally anything somebody's going to be pissed off and those keyboard warriors are going to be the ones that give you the opinion that you really should be forming informing yourself and I just. 03:42.39 Heather Right? I I understand I have no problem with people writing the posts or reading the posts but it should not be what you are using to make these life decisions for yourself. 03:45.50 archpodnet Don't understand it. 03:58.16 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah. 03:59.73 Heather You know? and and so you know I remember when I was a kid My dad would always read consumer reports or an you know a non I don't know if consumer reports is the same thing as it was back when I was a kid where it it was you know companies. It was completely unbiased. Companies could not. Pay to be in that in in the magazine or whatever and so you got a good unbiased opinion I mean there's always a bias but anyway, um, and it gave you some good information to make a decision on a purchase of a car.. Whatever and so. 04:22.32 archpodnet Um. 04:37.50 Heather You look at you. You should always be looking for opportunities to gather information from either unbiased um forms or through people that you trust and you don't even know these people on Facebook you don't you know and it's the same people that complain. 04:51.40 archpodnet Um. 04:56.75 Heather And I feel bad I feel bad that that um, these people have had such a hard time in Archeology. Um, but you also have to look at and I'm sure people are going to say something about this but you have to if people are having a negative. Experience and they move around from to company to company company. Other people should look and these people should look inward at Okay, what's the problem here if I'm always the one that's having these issues right? So It's yeah I just. 05:20.24 archpodnet Yeah. 05:30.92 Heather Just caution people when they're looking I think it's it's a it is a form of information but it should not be the only thing and the problem is is that we have um these if that's all you're looking at and a lot of people that's what they look at especially though my son is 23 years old and he. 05:39.10 archpodnet Um. 05:49.76 Heather That is kind of his go to not Facebook but these types of forums are his go to and it I get it. That's not my go to but it's for that a that generation and you need to think critically you need to go out and get to know people and. 05:52.42 archpodnet Yeah. 06:09.10 Heather Make your way in this in this world Archeology world So that you do have people that you can reach out to that might have a connection for a job but also might have some knowledge when it comes to different companies who treats people right. 06:12.65 archpodnet Sure. 06:25.28 Heather Right now we are creating. There's such a negative light on our on on our profession. A lot of it is something we've created. We've created this negativity as archeologists and then. 06:38.58 archpodnet Um. 06:41.34 Heather When you give a voice to people that focus on that negativity then that's your main voice and now you're giving these negative negative Nancys or whatever as so much control over our profession and it doesn't need to be that way. 06:48.10 archpodnet Yeah. 07:00.30 archpodnet So that's interesting. You say that because I was thinking about that. Um in the light of this post that I wrote on on the archaea field text group. It's you know I'm saying I actually said in there as like you know what these people that are that are quote being toxic and and. You know, doing all these bad things and they're in these these leadership positions. Ah they legit need to be called out I'm sorry they just need to be called out and they need to be called out for their behavior because you know what they were five ten years ago they were field texts and they were experiencing this same thing and this group archaeo field text was started. 07:19.97 Heather In us. 07:26.68 Heather M. 07:34.55 archpodnet Eleven years ago may thirteenth two thousand and twelve is when this group was started. It's a very old group. It's been around for a long time and you know what the people that were complaining on day one about this field are now the ones being complained about and it's like it's just a endless cycle and you know you get to this position and. I don't know for some reason it's not everybody. Obviously there's some really good people out there. Really good leaders. Really good company owners. Really good project managers. But again, it's the the you know the people who are squawking about it that that get all the play and they make it they make it sound like everybody's bad. 08:07.40 Heather It It could be that way. It could be also that the people that ended up in positions kept their mouth shut and just worked their way off the company and made. Yeah I I think that you know if. 08:17.84 archpodnet Ah. 08:26.83 Heather There's I'm not saying that these people we don't know they post once in a while. That's not what they do all the time. But I think it's just a caution number 1 if you're new to this business. Don't use that as your as your way of trying to understand the business and how it works and number 2 08:34.29 archpodnet Yeah. 08:45.91 Heather If you are somebody who who is on a regular basis writing and and complaining really do some searching some soul searching and saying okay I'm doing a lot of complaining. It's either sometimes you just need that you need that emotional support network. 09:01.65 archpodnet Um, um. 09:03.24 Heather I'm frustrated I needed to say something and be hurt. That's fine but are you working as hard to improve whatever situation you can are you working as hard at doing that as you are at just complaining and. 09:05.20 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 09:22.40 archpodnet Um. 09:22.59 Heather So I think people just need to think critically about other people's behavior and about their own behavior and be honest with themselves because my ambition is not to say there's not issues in this business there is and I've I've been at the bad end of that like Andrew's a 09:34.61 archpodnet Yeah. 09:41.34 Heather Dear friend of mine and he can vouch for the times that I've sat at a table crying because I'm frustrated you know. 09:45.33 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 09:46.64 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, and and honestly you know it's like it's the same for all of us I mean I could talk about some brutal situations that I was a part of where I was ripped off like so bad you know in and it's just anyone would be like oh my God you got. 09:58.55 Heather Um, yeah. 10:05.34 Andrew Kinkella It's like a scam How bad you were ripped off by this serum firm. You know? So yes, we all have that kind of stuff. It is part of life you know, but it doesn't color my entire experience. 10:05.49 archpodnet He. 10:05.72 Heather Yes. 10:15.41 archpodnet Right. 10:15.65 Heather And it doesn't have to be the impetus behind people. Good people leaving this business like it. You can't sit back and say oh this business sucks and it and it it's never going to change or. 10:20.23 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, yeah. 10:21.11 archpodnet Yeah. 10:31.64 Heather You say you want to change it but you're not doing anything to change it and then you leave like there is some. There's some great companies in this business. There's some very good people in this business and listen I'm not perfect. But I tell you my number one ambition in at work. 10:33.30 Andrew Kinkella Right. 10:34.21 archpodnet Name. 10:51.28 Heather Is not about putting out the best report it I want the best report. Absolutely okay I work way more hours than I should because my number one ambition are the people that work on my team and that they live in a healthy environment and that they're learning. 11:04.78 archpodnet Um, yeah. 11:09.63 Heather And they're growing as professionals that is my number one priority and then the good reporting comes from that but fighting for people I am I am I'm not all that popular in other circles of my company because I do fight for people and they're I'm not the only one there's a lot of us out there. 11:22.96 archpodnet Yeah. 11:28.90 Heather A lot of us good people out there and but I still I've had people complain about me which is absurd like I'm not perfect. But I'd certainly have no malice in me to hurt somebody else like if you want to make it in this business and you live anywhere near. 11:39.74 archpodnet Me sure. Okay. 11:47.81 Heather In the Southern California region I will do everything I can to help you but you still have people that just want to complain why because they don't want to take responsibility over their bad decisions that they've made in their life and their career and their malcontents that. 11:50.70 archpodnet Yeah. 11:55.35 Andrew Kinkella Um, yes. 11:59.12 Andrew Kinkella Right? Yeah, exactly and and being complained on like that. It's a rite of passage. It happens to all of us I have been again brutalized about what a terrible horrific Archeology Professor I Am you know and so. 12:01.25 archpodnet It's not their fault. Yeah. 12:05.73 Heather Yeah, yeah. 12:12.22 Heather Um, yeah. 12:15.28 Andrew Kinkella Ah, you just it just comes with the territory and you got to like you you got to roll with it. It's you got to have you got to have some steel in the walls Man you know it's part of life. 12:16.77 archpodnet Let's. 12:25.41 archpodnet Can ah Andrew your topic your your your turn for your topic is coming around and ah, can we just have you read like Youtube comments that have been written about you and like rate my professor reviews but only the bad ones. Ah. 12:37.84 Heather Oh what was you wasn't there a comedy show that used to do that where they would ah the celebrities would read out. Oh is the daily show. Yeah that Yes, yes, yes. 12:40.10 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah, oh my God that would be hilarious. Yeah yeah, oh so many. 12:45.35 archpodnet Um, oh yeah, the daily show. Yeah I do mean tweets. Ah. 12:52.84 Andrew Kinkella There's literally on the Youtube whenever I talk about Graham Hancock or pseudo archeology I get hundreds of like what you so called profess other some we should totally do that. It's like if youre feeling no, but do yeah we could turn on. Yeah we could turn our cameras. It's like. 12:57.97 archpodnet Ah, yeah, yeah, absolutely it really should be. 13:02.30 Heather And it but it's got to be a video. It's got to be a video that step. Yeah. 13:10.56 Andrew Kinkella For those you out there if you've ever felt low in yourself about social media comments or whatever I have hundreds. So like yeah we could. We can all have a laugh that would be great. Yeah. 13:15.60 Heather Right. 13:15.90 archpodnet But I. 13:22.25 Heather Still so speaking of it's so funny that you said that Chris speaking of I want to I'm not going to say who it is that said this on the archo field. It was a response to your post this morning and um, you know, maybe this person has had a bad experience. Okay. 13:32.87 archpodnet A. 13:39.65 Heather But to say this We have an incredibly toxic work culture. It's rife with retribution and Petty Bullshit Antic Sorry that costs people their jobs and livelihoods. Ok. 13:44.91 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 13:47.76 Andrew Kinkella And. 13:51.40 archpodnet Mean yeah. 13:57.93 Heather If I'm new to this world I'm looking at this going what you know and that has have these things happen. Are there tax toxic work cultures. Yes, there's toxic work cultures everywhere. In fact, I'm. 14:11.10 archpodnet Yeah. 14:17.18 Heather You know I worked with my previous jobs I never really had an office culture until I got into c or m and this is my second career or third career. So um, at the time I was just like what in the world I sat around like what is this and my husband said something to me that really that really. 14:24.41 archpodnet M. 14:36.92 Heather Like smacked me at a base. He's like Heather there's a reason why there's all these Tv shows on office culture because that's that's what happens this is when you put a group of people that are working day in day out with each other that really a lot of them haven't chosen to work with each other right. 14:45.67 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 14:56.10 Heather That's you're spending more time with these people than you spend with young family weird things happen. So are there toxic work cultures. Yes, there are that's life and is there retribution and penny bullshit. Yes people there's not nice people that do things like that. Yes, that does happen but it's. 15:10.18 archpodnet Yeah. 15:14.66 Heather To say like that statement makes it sound like this is unique to archeology and that archeology that's all archeology is it's only that and that is not true. 15:24.24 archpodnet Yes, well of the 24 comments currently on that post fifty. Well 1 hour after I post of it that has the most likes it has 14 likes and 1 heart and everybody agrees with it. Yeah. 15:36.25 Heather Okay, well people listen you know what? I'm just telling you. It's not true. It to say that across the board about archeology is not true. Are you going to run into those situations. Absolutely, you will. 15:43.95 archpodnet Ah, here. Yeah yeah, yeah. 15:51.55 archpodnet Yeah, there's a there's another blanket statement one that says employers gaslight new text in the industry and I'm just like give me examples. It's not all employers. 15:54.20 Heather But it's. 15:58.94 Heather Okay, yeah I would like to so when I when when I have a new person who who applies straight out of college and I we bring them on and we don't have. They're not ready for a full time position so we bring them on as a tech as a as needed. 16:12.39 archpodnet No. 16:17.49 Heather And they get a lot of work and they get a lot of overtime so it's actually there's some of us that dream about going back to the as needed position. But anyway so I sit them down and I say have you have you applied to any other companies and you know the answers are all over the place right. 16:33.42 archpodnet Um, yeah, right. 16:36.67 Heather So and my second thing that I say is apply to another company continue to apply you I I as an as needed employer. Do not want you just relying on me because I lose sleep when people don't have an avenue to pay their bills. 16:47.18 archpodnet Who. 16:55.52 Heather And so I encourage every single person that I come in contact with to put your name out there to every company you can and to make sure that you are getting known by lots of different companies until you find that full time position and even then eventually you know you can move on to another full time position. But. 17:02.19 archpodnet So. 17:14.41 Heather As it as needed. You need to go out and look for other work I don't want to be your sole source of of work. The good things happen. Yeah. 17:21.29 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, all right indeed. Well we've got to go but I will say um if you if anybody listening to this could go you know, especially if you disagree with us Could you post this on archeal field text and then complain about it loudly that would be great and then we will. 17:37.13 Heather Um, ah. 17:38.17 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah, that's be a long shouted. Yeah yeah. 17:38.54 archpodnet We will also read those in segment 3 of Andrew Reid's mean comments. So yes, all right? That's go to be a long just be a twoparter at least all right? Okay, well with that you know. 17:40.97 Heather The closing. 17:51.97 archpodnet I wasn't sure if we would talk the whole time on this. We actually had another topic but Doug had to not join us today. So we'll we'll be back with him shortly anyway, you know if you've got opinions put them out there feel free to feel free to speak your mind and I think in this age of the internet and me too and. And things like that happening. You shouldn't have to suffer in silence if something's going on at your workplace or you think you're being exploited or you think you're being you know, judged and and and and just generally shit upon then you know, call it out on social media name the company name the person that's fine if they're really being a dick if they're. You know, let the let the community decide. You know what? I mean if you're wrong, then probably don't do that. But if you're right? then hopefully you'll be justified and I'm sure other people will come out of the woodwork too. Somebody's really bad. They just really shouldn't be in this business. They have no business being unit. So. 18:40.17 Heather Um, but don't but don't always think that that's gonna be your answer. Yeah I mean you can get up for yourself, but are you really standing up to yourself when you're doing it on social media I know we're supposed to be stopping but but like. 18:46.72 archpodnet Well, it might not it might backfire right? but you got to stand up for yourself. Ultimately, so yeah, well yeah, yeah. 18:58.12 Andrew Kinkella Ah, yeah, yeah. 19:00.42 Heather Are you are you really standing up for yourself because it really what that is is. You're so you're sitting behind. Ah you're sitting behind some kind of brick wall throwing malov cocktails nobody knows where it's coming from especially if it's anonymous and and. 19:02.35 archpodnet Well. 19:12.83 Andrew Kinkella Yeah. 19:13.70 archpodnet Um, well don't yeah, don't do it anonymously. 19:17.15 Heather And are you and and okay and if you want to do anonymously fine, but really is that solving your problem if you really are having a problem you need to have the intestinal fortitude to stand up and say something to the person that you're having the issue with and and it and if it results in you not working for that company anymore. 19:21.23 Andrew Kinkella M. 19:24.31 archpodnet Ah, we. 19:30.61 archpodnet Um, sure. 19:36.69 Heather It hurts in the beginning but that's probably 1 of the best things that could happen to you move on. There's lots of companies. There's a lot of people that need workers. Trust me, you just move on to the next company it sucks it hurts but put on your big boy pants and girl pants. 19:39.22 archpodnet Yeah. 19:39.29 Andrew Kinkella Yeah. 19:43.71 archpodnet Yeah, yeah I. 19:53.70 Heather And move on to the next company and I guarantee you're going to be happier. 19:54.40 archpodnet Ah, yeah, Heather I'd say you're right for sure I should have said that first you should confront the company and the person first go to hr if they have 1 and deal with all that. But if that doesn't you know at least solve your problems and you still think you're in the right, then you know. Taking it to social media is actually ah and doing it publicly not anonymously I think is actually a way because it's a bigger. You have a bigger voice a lot more people can listen and a lot more people may be actually you know warned about the situation as well. And if you're wrong and you're just you know I don't know lying or or misrepresenting yourself. 20:29.50 Heather And. 20:29.12 archpodnet Be careful because you'll get called out as well. So all right with that. We'll end the show. Don't forget to check the show notes for Richie's go fund me link again if everybody listening to this donated 5 or six bucks Ritchie would have a much more carefree winter if that can even be the case with his current situation. But at least it'd be 1 less thing for him to worry about. And you'll appreciate it when it almost inevitably happens to you with that. We'll see you guys next week or in two weeks however often we do this podcast all right, keep it rolling for the uptro all right thanks to everyone for joining me this week thanks also to listeners for tuning in and we'll see you in the field. 20:53.11 Heather Are you. 20:59.50 Andrew Kinkella Ah, f. 21:06.99 Heather Thanks for listening everyone. 21:07.25 archpodnet Goodbye. 21:08.51 Andrew Kinkella See you guys next time.