00:00.00 archpodnet Yeah, okay, okay, all right? but your waveform is doing that weird thing that it does on my side. Okay, well, we'll just go with it all right all right welcome to the show. Everyone joining me today is Andrew in Southern California 00:00.00 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, wait. Okay, okay. 00:01.40 Heather Okay. 00:03.72 Bill White I'm back I'm so I'm still alive. 00:06.29 Andrew Kinkella Yeah. 00:07.61 Bill White Oh. 00:12.70 Andrew Kinkella Hey everybody? how's it going. 00:16.80 archpodnet Bill possibly in Northern California online with us. Although there could be some issues. Are you there bill all right. Bill's not there. Okay, ah, and Bill's here in spirit we can see him and heather. 00:23.22 Andrew Kinkella Ah, now it's not. 00:28.10 Heather Ah. 00:31.50 Andrew Kinkella It a. 00:33.69 archpodnet In Southern California all right so today we have a topic. Um, it was actually Heather's topic technically today on our little scheduler there. Um, but we did get an email from a listener and. 00:35.90 Heather Ah I everyone. 00:48.57 archpodnet We really love emails from listeners by the way. Um, you can reach out to me Chris at archaeology podcast networkwork dot com which is what she did. You can go through our website. There's a contact form on there which technically does still send it to me if you don't want to just type in my email address or there's contact info for some of the hosts that have different socials and things. On our show notes. So check all that out but she came back and said here I didn't ask her for permission to say her name so I'm not going to I'm not going to do that. But I'll just get to read her email a little bit here. So she says she has a safety topic and she says especially as a young woman working in the field for both archeology and cultural. 01:12.50 Heather Um, now. Wow. 01:17.11 Heather Yeah, wow. 01:24.22 archpodnet Historic Architectural Surveys I've had a few situations where I've had to immediately leave an area due to hostile landowners homeowners and even aggressive Pan Handlers I've been followed by people in vehicles and even mooned while on survey I have too but that was from other field technicians anyway. Um. 01:40.77 Heather Yeah. 01:41.10 archpodnet What are your stories about this wild side of Crm. So Heather took that and ran with it and put together a great show. Um with different things in each segment and it all kind of it all kind of ties back to this so Heather why don't you lay out a little bit what your idea of the show was. 01:41.97 Andrew Kinkella Ah. 01:55.62 Heather Take it away sure so you know we talk about safety topics a decent amount and so I wanted to make sure that you know what we're talking about is relevant to current situations and that we're providing the listener something a little bit new. Um. So the first segment we're going to focus on current situations that field staff are encountering so not the same old same molds that we would all expect um that we are all. It's all important of course but it's something we've talked about and if people are interested in it. They can certainly check our back. Um, episodes and then we'll um you know, just talk about different scenarios that that we've encountered and maybe how it was handled and then segment 2 we're going to look at effective so situations to avoiding dangerous um circumstances and then. Obviously we can't avoid them completely. So how do we prepare ourselves and field staff for the unexpected and then in segment three um I thought it would be a great opportunity for us to kind of look into the future and see what kind of safety issues that we think. Maybe coming or maybe increasing that we have right now but maybe increasing in numbers and and so that's that's how we're going to tackle our episode today. 03:15.32 archpodnet And. 03:22.59 archpodnet Okay, sounds good. Well do we want to head it off with some of our own war stories from ah from Sierra Yeah I you know one one for me always comes to mind and I guess it's not probably really that bad. Oh I guess it could have been bad. 03:25.19 Heather Yeah, go for it. 03:26.55 Andrew Kinkella Totally. 03:37.70 archpodnet Is and and I think about this every time we're driving through somewhere in the west especially and we see these. We see these plots of land out off the interstate that have like a trailer on it in the center right? like this person is just staked their claim on forty acres or something like that and they're like stay the hell away I'm in the middle you're not coming near me and ah. 03:45.73 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, yep. 03:52.42 Heather Um. 03:56.63 archpodnet This was near winhamucka Nevada and it was one of our first projects in Nevada actually and we were we were doing this survey and there were no property lines or markers or anything. We did see a small I want to say it was a small like trailer or something off in the distance on this one little plot of land and this woman. All ass across the across the land ignoring the fact that her truck was being destroyed by the bumps and rocks and things she was just doing fifty miles an hour over and just rolled up on us and was like what the hell are you guys doing this is my land. 04:21.33 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, yeah. 04:31.36 archpodnet Get the hell off and she she pointed out these cones that we could barely see that like are are the corners of her property her big square that she owns and we're like yeah okay, no problem I mean you don't you don't we we did say ah the crew Chief actually at the time was like well we're here for this and you know we have a permit and she's like I don't care and just like lost her mind. And in that case, you literally just turn around and walk away I mean there's you don't fight that right you you bring it up to your superiors. They'll bring it up to proper channels and then they'll go through and do whatever has to be done to make sure that you know something can be done out there. But. 04:52.75 Heather Um, yeah. 05:03.82 archpodnet Yeah, that was that was that I've had other situations but that's the first thing that comes to mind I don't know somebody else can somebody else can go next. 05:08.26 Andrew Kinkella Sure up, no Heather You could go for it. 05:09.95 Heather Yeah, um, so oh no go ahead. Andrew okay, well on this is this is recent. We do a lot of work in northern um, Santa Barbara County and you have a lot of goodo good old cowboys out there which is not a bad thing I love the cowboy. Um, ah just I love the cowboys out there I mean they're they're great to work with but um, they do have an interesting sense of humor and we had a group of archaeologists out surveying a large area and um, they came across. But look like from a distance somebody with a gun on a you know on a tripod on a truck and um, there was no way of turning around because it was a ah very narrow ah road dirt road and there were just no way of turning around so they. 06:05.55 Heather They went forward and the guy the guy stopped them um and kind of went in front of their truck and they they talked to him and you know they were a little apprehensive but turns out the guy they were citing a rifle so they're they're just making sure that their rifle is. 06:21.95 archpodnet You. 06:24.70 Heather Accurate and that is something that's legitimate for those that do um, shoot guns and so they um they they were talking to the guy and the guy was actually one of the landowners out there and he wasn't all that happy about having a survey in the area and so he thought it would be funny. When they were asking what he was doing with a gun on his truck to say he was hunting for archaeologists and um I go and I laugh at I know it was not funny. Um it made them very uncomfortable of course and so as a field director did I think he was joking Yes I did. 06:49.81 archpodnet Oh my god. 06:54.17 Andrew Kinkella Um. 07:04.31 Heather Um, and you know as as project manager I I thought I thought he was Jokey and I had dealt with the guy and he's an interesting cat but I didn't think he was dangerous. However, as a project manager Um, the day was over as far as I was concerned and you know even if I didn't think they were in any danger. 07:16.91 archpodnet Moving. 07:17.58 Andrew Kinkella Me. 07:24.24 Heather At all. They did not feel comfortable and so I think that's a good lesson to project managers that even though you may know a little bit more information um than your field staff. Ah you need to respect. Um, when they feel uncomfortable and that was a legitimate reason to feel uncomfortable. 07:40.16 archpodnet I. 07:44.15 Heather There's other situations where I've had field staff that say they're uncomfortable, but it's really not um you know it's something that's more their lack of preparation and and you have to deal with in ah in a different manner. But anyway it was a good thing because the the client we were doing the work for. Back to up 100% it was dealt with appropriately and and the guy was admitted unbonished and and and he didn't do that again. So um, anyway, those are the the little quirky things that can happen in the field. Andrew. 08:09.44 archpodnet Money. 08:16.95 archpodnet Yeah. 08:18.80 Andrew Kinkella Right? Um, yeah, it's it's good I am going last because mine's kind of a combo of yours and ah Chris is so what's funny is like Chris in in his the setup is he's in sort of the middle of nowhere in Nevada you know and sort of in our cliche mind we we. Think that oh that's where that kind of stuff happens most of my stories that go like this are just labeled santa monica mountains like and what I mean by that is the santa monica mountains they are yes ah a large open space but they're in the middle of a very urban area this is Southern California right the santa monica mountains malibus on one side of them and the valley the san Fernando Valley and the cannao valley are on the other side and there's. 08:59.42 archpodnet Um, um. 09:07.00 Andrew Kinkella Roads and stuff going across them So this is not like a far away wilderness but it is physically large and up there. You have this funny combination of hyper wealthy people who own you know, massive amounts of land and hyper. Not wealthy people. 09:20.97 archpodnet From. 09:25.30 Andrew Kinkella Who own massive amounts of land meaning that you know they got some deed to it in eighteen fifty nine but they themselves have no money so they have the setup like Chris was talking about like they have like a um so like a little tiny mobile home on the middle of like a multimillion dollar 09:27.45 Heather Nep. 09:33.27 Heather My mom. 09:43.90 archpodnet No. 09:44.93 Andrew Kinkella Plot right? You see that like a decent amount of time. So one of the times when I was up there and again you're driving up there for some project or something I took a wrong turn which is super easy to do up there and and I I parked at where I thought I was supposed to be and it was like a little mobile home and it had like a. 09:56.45 Heather Overall. 09:56.81 archpodnet Yeah. 10:04.79 Andrew Kinkella And had like a parking lot like a large sort of parking lot in front of it that had different cars on it in different states of repair and whatever but I just parked my car and it was in the morning you know I got out and I started walking towards the door because I was going to you know intro myself and say hi. 10:18.87 archpodnet Oh. 10:21.31 Andrew Kinkella Um, but I'm at the wrong one The one I was supposed to be at looked like it but was just slightly different as I'm walking up the guy. The property owner bus out of his door with a shotgun racks his shotgun and goes who the hell are you on my property and I'm like hey like I put my hands up. 10:23.98 Bill White Um. 10:32.33 Heather Um, yes. 10:40.71 Andrew Kinkella And I was just like hey I'm just here you know to looking for this project I Apparently might have the wrong address like I have my hands up as I'm backing away you know and he's like yeah yeah, you freaking do you know? and and so I got in my car and I drove away. But. 10:41.82 archpodnet Um. 10:59.48 Andrew Kinkella That kind of stuff that's that's the most extreme of my stories but I have a lot of those get off my property kinds of things and while you think that I'm giving you a scene from deliverance or something like that. It's like it's Santa Monica mountains 11:01.66 Heather Oh. 11:14.96 Heather Well. 11:16.57 Andrew Kinkella So my note to people is it. It's that kind of thing that my property is is everywhere. 11:21.32 archpodnet Yeah. 11:21.55 Heather Yeah I was going to say that that that is everywhere in California there's yeah I mean even well especially in in Santa Barbaraburg County and and some of these counties that have very large pieces of land without without any development on it. So. 11:25.64 Andrew Kinkella Yeah. 11:33.40 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah. 11:38.74 Heather I Think actually I think that this is a good opportunity for us to go to the next segment we'll be talking about how to approach these situations and prepare for the unexpected. 11:41.17 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah.