00:01.63 archpodnet Welcome to the show. Everyone joining me today is bill in Northern California and Andrew in Southern California 00:06.36 Bill White Good morning. 00:11.76 Andrew Kinkella How's it come guys. 00:11.82 Renee From that. 00:13.34 archpodnet All right? Well, it's Andrew's topic this week and he decided to bring on a guest. So I'll let him introduce the topic and our guest go ahead. Andrew. 00:20.90 Andrew Kinkella Okay, so yes since it was my topic like do I want to do the work. No so I have a guest do my work man and the guest that I have to it is it is so I do I just you know delegate. So um, my guest today is. 00:27.42 archpodnet Sounds like a teacher. 00:31.58 Renee Um. 00:36.86 Andrew Kinkella 1 of my students. This is Renee collins. Um I'm going to embarrass Rene right out of the gate Renee is one of my big success stories Rene started at Moore Park with me years ago and she went on to get her. Master's degree. She's the first master's candidate I ever had so I learned a whole bunch. From Renee which she doesn't realize because when you're a professor and you're going through these hoops for the first time you learn a lot because you've never been through those hoops before you know in that in that way. So I thought because ah myself and and bill and Chris are at this point just. 01:07.40 archpodnet Ah. 01:15.57 Andrew Kinkella Armchair c r m archeologist. Let's be honest, what do we do? We're not out there. Let's get a um, a view from somebody who is out there so Renee has been doing c r m for a while now and I would just like to spend this time talking with Renee you know getting her feeling of of. Cr um her experiences and we can just go from there so Renee um, just ah, give a little about yourself and how you got into all this in the first place. 01:48.34 Renee Ah, well I chose poorly in my profession. Um, well that archeology wasn't my first like endeavor I worked in the music industry for a little bit and then I decided to come back. 01:52.24 Andrew Kinkella Ah, yes, yeah. 01:53.58 archpodnet Clearly that goes without saying go ahead. 02:05.86 Renee Because I just didn't like it and I'm like oh let's just go to archaeology where I want to do since I was a kid same narrative as everybody. Um I went back to Moore Park in 2010 I was a non traditional student as I was a young. 02:09.80 archpodnet Um. 02:17.30 archpodnet Um. 02:23.95 Renee 24 year old and I took Andrew's class I'm like okay this dude seems kind of cool and I will get back into the thick of things and I sat in the back of the class I was never like that I'm gonna be that a student and sit in the front I was like really quiet super quiet I would twin sister. She took the class with me. 02:26.33 archpodnet Um. 02:43.59 Renee As well and unfortunately she sucked I won That's just what it is on the B twin. She's the a twin but you know it is what it is the B Twin prevails. Um. 02:50.70 Andrew Kinkella Ah. 02:59.27 Renee And I just I fell in love what I wanted to do and I'm like oh man, this guy I brings so much enthusiasm and I just continue to take classes with Andrew I mean you have so many options out of community college with the same professor you know so I just kept going kept going and then. 03:14.84 archpodnet Um. 03:15.50 Renee 2012 rolled around and I said hey I needed like do a field school you know and I'm a steal your line there I was in belizes 2012 and I was there for 7 years simply I went all the way through through my undergrad and my graduate. 03:21.82 Andrew Kinkella Yes. 03:34.81 Renee Edger really guided me through what I needed to do because I was just like a chick of my head cut off I really didn't know what I wanted to do and then ah I just did all that worked in the southwest for a little bit I went to Northern Arizona for my master's degree. And I work with Dr Haimi away as my professor. My advisor and lo behold I asked Andrew if you can be on my fourth on my committee as my fourth and he said yes, hesitant andly like very hesitant. Yeah. 04:02.80 Andrew Kinkella Right? Yeah I was like no oh no, no, no well maybe just for me. Um, yeah, and again, that was the first time I've ever you know I was ever on a committee like that where I had the responsibilities of like okay you have to read this thesis and. 04:09.42 Renee And. 04:18.82 Andrew Kinkella You know, get back to the candidate and there's a certain meetings you have to make and this is in the Pre Zoom Times just barely. You know so it's like you have to go for the defense and stuff but it was really fun. Yeah. 04:30.32 Renee Yeah, you had a great time I did I was excited and I I Still thank you for that. Lots of guidance. 04:37.40 Andrew Kinkella No, but you know get and get give yourself credit at the same time you know like like you did the whole beliefs thing for years and years and that was not my project. You know that was highmase project. So like you. Um, you signed up for those experiences and were successful there and. I know that they wanted you back and you sort of on those projects as international projects. You know, be at Belize or whatever they're sort of a um going up through the ranks kind of thing over the years and Renee I know for you that you you went up through those ranks and it made smarter. Ah, smart choices as you as you went? Yeah, um, in in so in terms of of Belize. Um, do you have future plans there or what do you think. 05:17.25 Renee Ahead. 05:19.74 archpodnet Um. 05:28.82 Renee Definitely I mean Belize is in my heart always as a mess american archaeologist I'm I'm in sir because I had to make some money you know like there's no, there's no jobs and believes. Um, but I mean I always. 05:33.77 Andrew Kinkella Um, ah sure. 05:41.41 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah. 05:45.95 Renee Constantly think about going back? Always It's just when the opportunity arises I will take it in a heartbeat. Um, it's just you know life and you know I'm I'm constantly researching. It's just because I'm not there doesn't mean I'm not like oh well, you know I used to do that note I'm always in it. 05:50.24 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah, yeah of course. 06:05.17 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, yeah I think that's a really good point I think a lot of us do that I feel like that you know there's there's years that I don't go to believes but I still feel like I always have my toe in you know I think there's and there's an aspect of that that we we always do um in terms of your. 06:05.22 Renee Ah, just. 06:13.48 archpodnet Yes. 06:20.52 Andrew Kinkella COur m side what was your first CM gig yeah 06:24.79 Renee Who actually um, right out of um, my master's I was like I thought I was gonna go back to bles and I at at the academic world I'm like you know what fuck this I am burned out I don't want to do this anymore. 06:33.65 Andrew Kinkella Um. 06:38.63 Andrew Kinkella Ah. 06:40.47 Renee And then I saw an ad on well this disbanded archeo fieldworks um post alpine archeology had an excavation in Durango doing um, an excavation and I'm like oh that would be awesome and I applied and they put me on their crew. And it kind of revitalized my love for archeology again because I was just I had no responsibility I mean responsibility to write up stuff. But I mean like just excavating and it like it brought me back to my roots of like oh this is what I want to do and I fell in love and I'm like oh. 07:11.95 Andrew Kinkella M. 07:16.94 Renee This is it and I just kept doing all these different crmvis like excavation and went to a big pipeline monitoring project Surveys I mean I dealt outside of alpine and then I am what's different sear um companies and then I found myself back with them and um. 07:32.61 archpodnet Ah. 07:34.97 Renee Full-time project archeologists with them and. 07:36.60 archpodnet I worked I worked with alpine on 1 project when I was shovel buming across the United States up near um it was up near. Oh what's that town just west of Steamboat Springs came Craig that's where it was yeah. 07:36.37 Andrew Kinkella Right. 07:44.80 Renee Um. 07:50.72 Renee Craig good old Craig america yeah, it was that topic it was probably like rex pipeline project. Maybe. 07:53.83 archpodnet Fuck that place. Um, yeah, yeah, it was interesting. Um I was a good project. But yeah, you know it was definitely pipeline and it was ah it was a phase 3 Um, what was a block excavation but it was 2008 07:57.75 Andrew Kinkella Ah. 08:12.98 Renee I think that was Rex but either way get I mean I was just up in Craig for a year on a transmission line I would say year six months. Whatever felt like you're you're in Craig and yeah i. 08:13.30 archpodnet 7 something like that I can't remember so it was in the rex days but I don't know if it's associated. 08:27.19 archpodnet Um, yeah. 08:29.97 Renee Talk about a whole different like because you're dealing with paleontologists contractors. You know, construction workers. All that fun stuff I thrive in that environment. So I know how to talk to these individuals and I find it fun and I'm protecting archeology and do it same time. It's great. It's a different type of monitoring. Not just. 08:36.96 archpodnet Um. 08:40.26 archpodnet Um, threat. Yeah. 08:49.68 Renee Windshield archeology. No books read on that project as the first time I ever got covid I will say thank you Craig America I alluded covid for 2 years I haven't worked during that whole pandemic and. 08:51.58 archpodnet Yeah, for sure. 08:58.24 Andrew Kinkella Ah, ah. 09:08.34 Andrew Kinkella Great. Yep, it's oh man, um you you know as as we go through this I like to um, ask some other basic questions of you like um, like like do you have like a. 09:08.66 Renee Here We are I got it because I decided to go out here. We are. 09:25.91 Andrew Kinkella Best part is crm you know like we all have sort of like that day or that thing like like what's something you just like really like about it. 09:32.59 Renee I Like we get a lot of like green students coming out of school and we get to teach them and I love teaching I Really like giving my knowledge to the new generation of archeologists and. Just seeing their bright-eyed bushy tail then they think they they know what they're getting into but I you know teach them the realities of it and just like help them along and stream them along with it and I like giving my knowledge to you know students or students young adults coming out and and they get. 09:56.46 Andrew Kinkella Yeah. 10:03.84 Andrew Kinkella Right. 10:05.16 archpodnet He. 10:08.88 Renee So inspired and they like they asked me all these questions about grad school and what what should I do this or do that and ah just about archaeology in general. It makes me excited and they get excited and that brings you back. Actually every time I went down the bles I would get Andrews students from the community college. It always set me up with his students which I don't know if that's a curse. But. 10:23.69 Andrew Kinkella How are you? ah. 10:28.56 Renee But I feel like there's some expectations when I get his students because I'm like oh crap like what how should I do this like what did they expect out of me because I was an next student you know and actually they come out a lot better and I feel so good because it's. I'm not one of those people like oh yeah, it's just archeology where I bring a lot of enthusiasm and they learn so much and that's my goal is for them to learn and have passion because a lot of people that come into archeology they get like. 10:52.23 archpodnet 1 10:53.91 Andrew Kinkella Um I. 11:00.20 Renee Beat down by like old timers or they make them feel like crap and I don't want them to feel that way I want them to like you know, go ahead in their lives and be like this is what I want to do. 11:09.54 archpodnet Yeah. 11:11.49 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, I'm really glad you said that I I think it's so important that sort of um, make sure the old timers don't get you down because it's almost seems like their job. There's always the old guy who you can never do anything right for you know and it's. 11:24.40 Renee Me. 11:26.50 archpodnet Um, and. 11:28.10 Andrew Kinkella I'm so glad that you're there to sort of give them a shield for that. 11:29.87 Renee Yeah, yeah I mean I've gone through like I've had the academic beat down and I've had the private sector beat down where it's like I don't want to do this anymore. But it's like I have the persevere like no they win if I don't like if I leave and. 11:35.88 Andrew Kinkella Right? right. 11:44.10 Andrew Kinkella Right. 11:46.59 Renee It's not like that if you love something you're going to keep doing it. 11:48.50 archpodnet Yeah, well I have a question along those lines but we'll do that on the other side of the break back in a minute. 11:53.64 Renee Ah, think.