00:00.56 archpodnet I'm in Mexico all right welcome to the show. Everyone joining me today is Andrew in Southern California and Doug in Scotland. 00:05.60 Andrew Kinkella Hey guys, how's it going. 00:09.89 Doug I Yeah representing the Non-califorian people. 00:15.30 archpodnet That's right, that's right? So all right? Well the topic was Doug's today and we've got a little bit different way to approach that so doug why don't you go ahead and tell us what we're doing. 00:23.81 Doug I yeah so the the title of this episode is ah does archeology have a passion problem. Um, and so there is a little bit of a study of red. Um, it actually related to architecture but sounds just like archaeology to me. Um, result. And we' difficulty a little bit different with this episode and we're basically going to run a many sort of 1 of their surveys they did in this study and so for that um Ama asked both. Ah Chris and Andrew individually that the other one will be muted or at least not parking. 00:49.15 archpodnet M. 01:01.50 Doug Um, some questions and then we're gonna bring it back together and see how your guys's answers compare and how that compared to the study on passion. Um, so with that I believe Andrew has volunteered to um, mute and leave the room some as it were. Um, metaphorically and we'll get started with ah Chris let's. 01:22.46 Andrew Kinkella Yes, I'm leaving and and I will be muting my headphones I won't hear any of this. 01:27.48 archpodnet All right? Let's do it. Okay. 01:27.81 Doug You all right? We'll let you know when you can come back. Andrew I'm assuming Andrew's gone gone to a better place Chris I'll throw I'll further questions to you. You think you need half in be an archaeologist. 01:51.40 archpodnet Um, I think probably yes only because of the the nature of this job and the the substandard pay sometimes and the the hell you've got to go through just to find jobs and and keep jobs and things like that like why would you. Go through all that if you didn't have some sort of passion for archaeology some sort of passion for history or or even the research or some aspect of the science. You know what? I mean um I mean there's other jobs where we can just go 9 to 5 and not worry about it at all and just get your paycheck every day and get paid way more than than what you're doing in archeology. But. 02:23.61 archpodnet The stuff you've got to go through to to do all that you have to have some kind of passion. 02:29.12 Doug Ah, and do you think you can like spot passion or passionate people in archeology. 02:35.35 archpodnet I think so there's definitely the people that you meet that are that seem like they're kind of phoning it in. You know what? I mean like they don't they don't want to do anything extra every time you ask for a volunteer to do something or to learn something new. They never step up. Not that you have to but and I wouldn't even say that's a requirement but you can tell that the people that are. I guess more passionate than others by the stuff that they do. You know they're constantly reading books about archaeology and learning new things outside of work and you know watching Youtube videos and stuff like that and just learning new skills I would say inherently those people have more passion just like any business though people that continue to. Study on their topic. Whatever whatever happens to be outside of work are going to be inherently more passionate I think. 03:20.27 Doug And and Chris you you hire people or you you have hired people in archeology and stuff but is there. Do you look for passion when you're hiring people and what does that look like like how how do they demonstrate that to you. 03:26.13 archpodnet Um. 03:34.10 archpodnet Yeah,, that's really hard to demonstrate and I've been fortunate enough to not necessarily hire too many people just like off the street that I didn't know because this is a small industry and and I'm a small company. So The people I've hired I I hired them probably because I knew they had passion for the industry right? and I knew that they were going to. Strive to do a good job despite any sort of adversity that might happen because the minute you have somebody. That's that's not really into the work and and they're just they're just out there for a paycheck you can see their eyes start to glaze over when they're doing survey and they just they start looking around. They're talking a lot more talking is not bad as long as you're still looking at the ground. But they're just they're just not paying attention and and those aren't the kind of people that I can have working for me and I'm really working for anybody just because the whole point of working here is is looking at the Ground. So So I don't know if I can really answer that question because I've never really had to hire. Outside of my sphere of people that I know and I only hire people that I know will do a good job. 04:33.85 Doug Fair enough and with that. Let's um, call Andrew in um, if we if we had like some little bottles here. We can think them together and be like Andrew come out and play. Go. 04:48.38 archpodnet Nice I haven't seen him unmute yet. He probably just probably just left and let's get a drink. Yeah, it's ninth. It's nine o'clock in the morning in California that's day drinking time on a Sunday. Oh. 04:50.61 Doug Ah, let's see if he's let's see if it comes back. Hopefully he has it has gone like ah okay yeah, let's know when you're back? Andrew. 05:02.97 Andrew Kinkella All right I am back. 05:05.64 Doug We We were just doing Andrew if we had some like empty bottles. We could clink them together and be like and come out and play. No, and yeah for anyone who's not getting that reference eighty s cult. 05:08.12 archpodnet Having some momosis. 05:15.66 archpodnet Oh my God All right. 05:16.27 Andrew Kinkella Ah, exactly it's time. 05:24.59 Doug Classic warriors but it's been done by the simpsons and everyone else as like parody so cool. Ah well pi is not going to say anything while I have probably pretty close to the similar questions to Andrew. 05:26.49 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah, watch it. 05:33.18 archpodnet All right? okay. 05:33.60 Andrew Kinkella Um. 05:40.96 Andrew Kinkella Okay, later. 05:41.77 archpodnet All right here I go bye. 05:44.22 Doug Yeah, but well you you't need to leave Chris you you can just sit you just don't have to say anything oh well? Okay, well he's he's married himself. He's god ah yeah, parallel right? Um Andrew we'll start with the first question which is ah, do you think you need to have passion. 05:54.12 Andrew Kinkella He's he's gone. Okay. Yes, next. Question. No, it's I mean absolutely it's it's one of those um just disciplines that you can tell when people don't and it's Awful. You know, like if you don't have passion for being like. 06:03.46 Doug Do archaeology. 06:21.60 Andrew Kinkella Ah, high power businessman but you're making millions of dollars it's like okay I get you know I I get this there. There's the tradeoff but in archeology. It's like what are you doing here. You know? So um I think I think passion is just is huge and and. Obvious in the moment if you don't have it. 06:41.66 Doug So so you've mentioned like you sort of can tell but how could you talk about that a little bit more to expand like how can you tell if someone has passion in archaeology and how how how do they demonstrate that. 06:57.10 Andrew Kinkella It's funny to tell if somebody has passion or not It's just it's just obvious it's it's it's in everything from their body language to the way they talk to um what they talk about like are they smiling. Are they upbeat and I know that sounds cliche but it's true because. I can think directly right now to people who I've seen or met who don't have passion right? grumpy. Um, they don't really care they they start doing shoddy work because they're they're just sort of working to the hour or to the money you know. So um, they they're. There's like a laziness aspect to it for people who are not passionate so again when when you see it people are are talking about it. They're talking about archeology when they're off the job but not in an annoying way. Just they're like interested about things. Um. They'll do other aspects of archeology in their free time. You know they'll learn about like man I've always wanted to go to Egypt or whatever it is so you will you'll see that you know you'll see them incorporated in their daily lives in in a prideful way and it's it's cool. It's great to be around somebody who has passion about something like archeology. Or anything. 08:08.25 Doug So cool and so this last question I might modify it is um the the question I asked Chris was like um, do you look for passion when you're hiring people and how do you? How do you see that I know Andrew you did a lot of Prm but I don't know if you did. 08:20.75 Andrew Kinkella Ah, ah. 08:25.22 Doug You said you hadn't quite got that like you know project Manager Level Pi level. Um, but maybe if you haven't had that maybe you could turn around and I like looking for like students. Um I know with that University you probably have projects or um I mean I know you do a lot more teaching but ah. 08:28.56 Andrew Kinkella Um, not yeah. 08:36.79 Andrew Kinkella Um. 08:42.50 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, sure, No I've done I fact right? I've actually done a lot of hiring hiring for fellow professors and stuff too like I've done that you know a bunch. 08:44.78 Doug I'm assuming you bring on people for projects or work field schools or or like your your crew Chiefs for field schools and stuff like that. Yeah. And coca. 08:59.15 Andrew Kinkella And I dig it far enough in the cm world where I saw this as well. So it's like you know, dude look for passion in hiring. Absolutely It's funny. It's kind of like the thing that you're trying to suss out you know are they into it. Um. 1 of my colleagues when we were working on a hiring committee and this wasn't for archeology. This is sort of something completely different. He he kind of leaned over to me as we were watching the various candidates and he was like you know I'm just trying to figure out. It's like will they bro out on this. And I know what he meant you know like will you just hang out and talk about archeology for fun. You know? are you invested like when we're trying to hire you're looking and you're like hey are they um, are they going to. Try and be a Dean though. As soon as we hire them to be a college professor. You know you're you're you're absolutely looking for the passion. It's it's off to top my head I'm almost going to say it's like the number 1 thing you're hiring for. 10:01.75 Doug And how how do how do they sort of demonstrate that in like a so Tv resume or even in a ah interview. 10:06.30 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, they did so cv resumes very hard see you because you have to suss it out during the interview because anyone can have a well-w writtentten Cv well-w writtenten resume. You know, but during the interview. Um, they're they're talking about their. Own projects and except that they're they're going to be natural leaders in it if they're Passionate. You know they're passionate so they want to do stuff so they're going to have things that they did themselves. They're going to have projects they did. They're going to have articles. They wrote on their own cool thing. They're going to have like pet projects. And because they're so passionate they're going to want to give their passion to other people. So like they're like they're running their own situation where they're teaching people and they're proud of teaching them because they're just super happy that they're bringing people into this field that they think is just super awesome. 10:56.56 Doug Oh and that's pretty much it for the question. So I think this is actually a nice time to do a break. Um, and we'll just take it and then I'll bring you back and we'll discuss what Chris said about it and I'm actually really glad um this experiment. 10:57.15 Andrew Kinkella Um, cool. Yeah. 11:13.37 Doug Definitely worked. Um, you guys said different things which is excellent. Um, and yeah and we'll bring you guys back the next segment and ah discuss this. So um I believe Chris he's still muted but he would say something about. 11:15.66 Andrew Kinkella Great. It was super fun too I think it was a great idea. 11:28.42 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah, yeah, let's ah, let's see. 11:31.44 Doug But going to commercials now or oh yeah, break. 11:44.90 Andrew Kinkella Chris Chris where are you Chris there. There are yeah yeah, yeah, we. 11:46.26 archpodnet Okay, I'm here. Did you call the break. 11:50.48 Doug Ah, yeah, yeah, we we've told a break. So yeah, you have like 2 minutes of like silence as we wait for you to come back Chris but if you can end. It's. 11:55.37 archpodnet 2 minutes of silence.