00:00.00 archpodnet So oh yeah. 00:01.33 Andrew Kinkella Um, but super yeah, ah. 00:02.62 Heather See you've all they do been doing this for how long. 00:07.81 archpodnet Ah I still have to read it right here. We go welcome the show. Everyone joining me today is Heather in California Andrew in California. 00:09.96 Andrew Kinkella I'll please leave that in. 00:15.90 Heather Hi everyone. 00:19.43 Andrew Kinkella Hey guys, how's it going. 00:22.73 archpodnet And Doug in Scotland and I am in Nevada this time around I've had to miss a couple of episodes because of travel. But and I'm still traveling but we just happen to be able to make the show now because now that I'm in the pacific time zone. It's at eight thirty in the morning again and not you know. 00:24.33 Doug So everyone. 00:40.81 archpodnet Eleven thirty when we're in the middle of the travel day usually so anyway. Um, let's talk about some things here. So we always say send in your questions and comments and some of you do and when you do we try to see if we could fit it into a show if it's something that you're. Requesting we talk about or you spark some sort of conversation or something like that sometimes we just we just can't fit stuff in so but keep sending things in and we may fit it in at some point eventually. So um, we do write all these things down I keep all your emails and I put them on our little system here that we have and we decide when we you know what shows we're going to have and when we're going to have them. So. Um, we'll eventually get around to everything I would probably imagine but from a fan and we never announced who the fan was or anything like that. It was just somebody who sent in a comment using the website at arcpodnet.com and they said would you please do a podcast about field crew using drugs to deal with fatigue and pain. ve recently learned that this is not uncommon among field techs and crew chiefs and is casually talked about the preferred substances are marijuana chewys, mushrooms alcohol and even lsd please address how a fellow field tech or crew chief should address this when on a project. So. That is a heavy topic and that's what we're going to talk about and I'll tell you what this is completely anecdotal but there's pretty pretty confirmed stories from a couple of companies that that I knew way back in the day this is this is from times back in say the? um. 02:11.90 archpodnet I think it was like the mid to late eighty s when you knowerm companies were they were inventing cm at that time as a business right in the 80 s late seventy s eighty s these people were just like every time ah, a new company started up I feel like they were just inventing the business all over again and trying to figure out what was going on. And some of these people. They just like trying to get reports done and and you're typing these out on a typewriter half the time. Um, you know leading into computers. But there were stories of some principal investigators supplying like cocaine and other things like that like uppers to to get people keep people awake and keep people going. In order to just keep working on on these late night you know reports and things like that I didn't get the impression that was for fieldwork that was for completing lab work and reports and just getting this stuff out on time and and cranking out more work because even back then they probably weren't paying a whole lot for the work they were doing as a company let alone the employees and you know. 02:50.95 Heather While. 03:06.24 archpodnet The more work you did the more the more pay you got and so again I never talked to anybody directly that got supplied that or saw that but you hear it from enough people you start wondering if there's a grain of truth to It. You know what? I mean. So anyway, um, let's ah. Let me pause real quick I am going to be cutting it out a little bit.. Hopefully you guys can understand me my internet is not super great here. So it'll record faithfully. But if you need me to repeat something I will and we'll just cut that out. Yeah yeah, all right? Yeah, So yeah. 03:33.68 Andrew Kinkella Oh cool. Okay, yeah, that's fine. Yeah yeah, but me too. 03:34.52 Heather Ah, goal life. Yeah. 03:37.20 Doug I think I got the gist of what you were saying Chris. 03:43.16 archpodnet So does anybody have any direct stories of hearing somebody that you worked with or I mean I don't know if you're willing to mention yourselves or not. But um, that that used something to yeah I don't know enhance their performance or take away some pain or do something like that and. 03:50.14 Andrew Kinkella Sure. 03:52.57 Heather Ah, yeah. 03:57.46 Heather Yes, all the time you go first. Andrew yeah. 04:01.89 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, who wants to go first? me oh man, mine's ah okay so I'm just going to start with hey kids don't do drugs and I mean that in seriousness because um I think we've all had you know friends family members. You know. Beyond the archeology realm that that have serious drug problems but beyond that in the archeology world I have to say in my times in crm whatever project I would start on. it's like it's like that that either that first morning or that first afternoon somebody would come up to me and be like hey do you smoke. You know or something like that and there would be this idea that like well if you're in the field you're smoke. You're supposed to smoke weed you know that's just like what's done in the field and and it's like this cliche like oh you're only really with the in crowd. You're only really like a real c rm archeologist. If you smoke weed in the afternoon you know and look I got to say this like I went to use Csb in the 90 s ok I'm not a like ignorant child when it comes to various drug usage but it like I utterly don't. 05:01.20 archpodnet Um. 05:08.16 Heather Drood. 05:14.74 Andrew Kinkella Care about it if that makes sense and it's not good for you right? So I'm tired of people coming up to me in the archeology world right? asking me if I want to smoke weed the answer is no and the double answer is dude. You're like 35 years old what's wrong with you. Like you still think this is cool like who cares like stop and I just you know it gets me totally on my high horse because everyone I've ever known who's done this as they do it as the decades go by. They just get stupid I'm like like you smoke too much weed stop. It. You say stupid shit. I don't want to hear it you think it's good because you're high but you're annoying right? It's it's not something you need to do to experience the world a little more. You're not missing anything right? like I'll give you a pass if you're like 20 years old and you come up to me and you think it's the coolest thing ever. But. If you're 23 like stop. So anyway, it's it's something that has bugged me for years I'm like grow up and and even I have to say I have to be a bit of a hard ass when it comes to the post like the fan wrote. Would you please do a podcast about you know using drugs to deal with fatigue and pain you're going to drop lsd to deal with fatigue and pain. Are you fricking kidding right? It's like it's the dumbest thing and I again I am. 06:43.78 Andrew Kinkella Overall I'm okay with um like Marijuana being legal I Understand why it needs to be in stuff but that seems to have given especially the younger generation they feel like they have this carte blanche just to like take it whenever and it's like now it's just the same as alcohol now like you don't show up to work high. 06:59.51 Heather Um, yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 07:02.23 Andrew Kinkella You don't like get high on the job. You are unprofessional stop it right? I will not hire you ever again if I see this crap grow up you know and don't say oh it's for your fatigue and pain which is why you have to take gummies f that you know like no have some advil because that's really what. 07:10.95 archpodnet Yeah. 07:21.46 Andrew Kinkella You know, helps her sore joints. You see. It's like that's how I feel I really get like burned on this because I'm just tired of the that like theme of like oh yeah, you just have to take it to be a true archeologist. No, you don't. 07:33.84 Heather I I Just don't I don't understand like you wouldn't walk around saying that I'm drinking to get through the day or I'm drinking to get through the field and basically that's what that's it's the same concept people forget because now it's legal. 07:42.00 Andrew Kinkella Exactly. 07:51.20 Andrew Kinkella Yeah, yeah. 07:52.82 Heather And before it wasn't that um now that means you can use it in every context. No, it's think of it like alcohol you would not be drinking or shouldn't be drinking I think people are a lot more open to thinking. It's okay to be and I don't know. But. 07:57.23 Andrew Kinkella Right. Yeah. 08:10.24 Heather The smoking I haven't seen that but edibles for sure I have heard of and seen evidence of people doing edibles while they're working and that is just you is. It's own professional. 08:13.92 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah. 08:23.47 archpodnet So. 08:27.58 Heather And even if you get away with it. It's not a good look. Um and there are so many better ways to Curb pain right? and a lot of times just like alcohol. It does affect your body So it's not. You know it's not the answer really. 08:31.79 Andrew Kinkella Um, yes. 08:36.44 Andrew Kinkella Right. 08:47.18 Heather Um, now I'm not all that verse on things on on um aspects of the plant cannabis that can or I'm not even using the right terminology I'm sure so I'm showing my my ignorance but I know they're okay. 09:00.18 Andrew Kinkella Look It's called Wacky to backy Ok wacky to backy. 09:06.47 Heather I'm sure that I know there's some elements right of the plant that can like inavves and things like that that can help people without having I think it's a T H C that is what makes you high right? wrote? Yeah I don't get okay. 09:14.58 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah. 09:19.53 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah I'm sorry I'm laughing just because of yes, yes, it is um and. 09:25.53 Heather So yeah I mean there's there are some things that you can use I'm sure you don't please nobody go by this podcast or by at least what I'm saying but I think that you just people need. Um. 09:35.88 Andrew Kinkella Um. 09:39.96 Heather People say ok well then why should I have to be taking a bunch of a leave. Why are you saying a leaves ok because when ah you know pot when it's natural is not ok. Well first of all, here's just a practical answer to that it isn't ok when you're. 09:58.91 Heather You are considered to be under the influence when you're on pot. You're not considered to be that when you're on a leave. So if you just don't want to impact your career and your job don't be under the influences is that simple right. 10:02.19 Andrew Kinkella Um, yeah. 10:10.50 Andrew Kinkella Right? Be a professional. Yeah, exactly Doug you have something to say. 10:15.35 Doug So I should yeah so this was ah so ah, Bill couldn't be with us and he has a couple of comments and I think we'll read them off and the next segment and his big thing is you know, um, don't don't be using anything without a prescription. 10:23.80 Andrew Kinkella Ah. 10:31.92 Doug And this actually goes a bit back to to Heather's comment there as well. So a leave is generally okay, but ah we all we all see it every cough medicine bottle day quil whatever says do not operate heavy machinery um on it and like even having a prescription. Um, and. 10:44.31 Heather And then. 10:50.40 Heather Right. 10:50.62 Doug Does not necessarily negate some of the issues and some of the legal aspects. So even having a prescription for pot doesn't mean you can drive a vehicle. Um, and then also in a work ah situation as well. Even if you're not. 10:59.99 Heather Yeah. 11:02.64 Andrew Kinkella Um, bright. 11:08.14 Doug Operating heavy machinery or vehicle it still might not be legal in a health and safety sense in that. Um, if you're under the influence and let's say someone else gets hurt. Um. You know they didn't listen to our our podcast about how you don't need to do one by ones and there's a bunch of steaks around someone trips lands on it. Um hurts themselves. It's not you Ah, but you have a responsibility to be sober as it were and be able to help. 11:30.61 Andrew Kinkella Um, no. 11:42.80 Doug And so you're opening yourself up to lawsuits. Um, even if even if you're not you know doing what you think be dangerous work if you're not in the right mind or ablebodied when you should be. There's a whole liability issue employers. Can. 11:42.94 Andrew Kinkella Um, right. 12:00.66 Doug Easily easily fire you Even if it's legal. Um, they can have other requirements about what you can and cannot do and yeah, just because you know you have a prescription or even if it's say less um less controversial like cough medicine. 12:03.27 Heather Yep. 12:19.12 Doug Ah, doesn't mean it's not risk free and you definitely need to take that into account. 12:22.22 Andrew Kinkella Totally and I guess there's so much more to get to that we will talk about more on the flip side of this so we'll see you guys in a minute. Yeah. 12:30.65 Heather Did we lose France.