00:00.00 archpodnet Hello and welcome back to the pseudo archeology podcast special episode 100 well we reveal wait. Let me do that one again. Hello and welcome back to the pseudo archeology podcast episode 100 our special episode where where we reveal. Fraudulent underbelly of Dr Andrew King Kella so in our last segment there were a lot of charges levied against me, you know and unfortunately this is the kind of stuff that I have really dealt with. Throughout my career and I think I'd like to take these charges on 1 at a time and kind of explain to you guys um that the ideas behind the choices that I made and maybe make it seem like I'm maybe not as big of a fraud. As some may say so first off in terms of working in archeology. Um, one thing that's fantastic about being an archeologist is people ask you about it all the time right? They they meet you in airports they just sort of in the grocery store. You're at a dinner wherever and people ask you about your career in archeology and you can't be everywhere so you just have to make your best guess of things which I do I am not allergic to saying I don't know um, but what I have found is as a quote unquote. 01:35.80 archpodnet Real archeologist. It is better to give your guess than to just leave it up to Uncle Frank who's just going to spout nonsense. So for a budding archeologists out there. You know what take on the questions. You get from the public all the time you know so my my career in archeology I'm very open about it. Ah no I've never been south of the equator. That's that's pretty sad I hope to at some point. And I've never been to Egypt. What's so funny is as soon as somebody hears that I've never been to egypt my whole career. It makes me less of an archeologist doesn't matter where else you've worked. You haven't been to Egypt. Well, you're just a second stringer. My friend so my defense on my career in archeology is that. Ah. Hey I've done my best shot I have been out there I have really done field work I do know what it's like I do think most of the stuff that I talk about does have an air of I've been there because I have and I do really take seriously. Bringing my career highlights and low lights to the general publican to my students because I want everyone to know what it's like I want to give you the visceral feeling of ah of archeology as a discipline. Um I want to expose it a little bit as it needs to be exposed. But I also. 03:00.91 archpodnet Want to defend it as it needs to be defended. That's why I love the suit archeology podcast so much he but career wise yeah I'm really a minus you know and a local California Archeologistologist is really who I am and that's the stuff I know in my bones but the the other stuff. Um, I find that being a community college professor I have had to keep my general side of archeology very strong. So I can talk to my students about it and and so on and so forth speaking of that the second charge of my teaching I'll tell you this much. Yeah, got to fill the seats. My friends got to get some suckers in those seats. You know what I'm saying so it pays for you to be a dynamic teacher a dynamic college professor and lecturer and that's something that I take seriously and I am I going to pull from. Um. Sort of mystery aspect of things am I going to pull from what sort of hot and what what students are really curious about sure I am am I going to use cliches to my advantage. Oh have you seen what kind of car I drive. Oh sure I am right? and there's nothing wrong with that because it's used in honesty I'm honest about it. And I love I want the teaching to be as fun for me as it is for everyone else. So I found that like if I'm having fun just like anyone else who has a career that's on stage. The fun is infectious. You know so am I going to go for every single joke. There is oh you bet. 04:35.67 archpodnet You know am I just going to lay it out there. Sure I am because that's what makes it fun I mean you're teaching archeology man I have a little fun so leave me alone with my teaching number 3 the public speaking World. It's even more so. You have a moment to hook to the general Public. You know you have a moment to bring them into this archeology world and you cannot take the academic way out I've seen so many academics do this right. They'll think I'm a fraud or it's not even really that I'm a fraud so much that I'm just as I'm secondary I've gotten many side glances from my academic counterparts because talking like that in front of an audience is just not done making a joke of that calibar. Where they actually laugh from their stomach. That's not done right? and I have I've I've seen certain academics kind of distance from me. Because they feel weird because because it's a bit of a break of the mold you know and I'm not alone I have friends of mine who do the same thing and we all joke to each other about some of this Stuff. You know, um that that the public speaking world it it demands that. 06:06.26 archpodnet You know it it demands that you're dynamic nobody wants to hear the boring parts and you know and pieces and that kind of stuff and that's ok, it's it's not necessary in a public speaking situation right? Another thing I've really learned in whether it's you know teaching or public speaking. This world of stuff you you can't sit and talk about exceptions to the rule because yes, there's always exceptions you know if I'm talking about the ancient maya and I go you know? Oh well, you see the pre-classic period ended at this date. Yes I know underneath it all. There were a handful of sites where you could say the pre-classic culture kind of went on longer and this kind of thing but I can't say that to an audience or they're gonna be confused every nerdy academic I've ever known like goes down the rabbit hole of. Exceptions to the rule. So at the end of your their presentation. You have no idea what you just heard you like wait. What I know that wait the maya preclassic way is is it two fifty a day it ends or wait what you know it's we all know those there's exceptions but those are for grad students. You know to figure out. It's not for the general public. Half the time when when people say that I've said something wrong, you know, or ah that I'm say that I'm somehow not doing due diligence or acting in good faith. It's about these kind of exceptions you know, an academic will come up to being but be like well no wait. You see you haven't. 07:39.76 archpodnet You You didn't discuss the the caves in your area at All. It's like no I know I didn't because it wasn't pertinent to the main story. It just takes Away. So. I Think the art and science of boiling stuff down to a nice little piece of candy is awesome and I am proud of it deal with the world I am proud of my fraudulent aspects in terms of that. 08:05.61 archpodnet But I move on to the other charges against me so the print world. Oh yes, um, that that the blatant pull from Indiana Jones when I used its font in indie's font for my textbook I love it. And you know what? the? What's funny is the publishers did too and what you'll find as an archeologist trying to walk that fine line of academia versus the public if you lean a little more into the public world. The public realm. There is a lot of fruit and goodness to be collected there. My friends. It's I love doing it. You know and I don't feel like I'm somehow doing things wrong or ah giving people the wrong idea of things i'm. Making things brief and understandable and I would hope that other academics would have the understanding that I know the exceptions but I'm not bringing it ah bringing them up for obvious reasons. So. Yes, my world in writing and I will do more writing the writing for the public for me is really really satisfying. So I want to continue doing that and and make it more open for more of the general public and yes I will do more academic writing because that goes with the job. It's part of the career. But. 09:33.46 archpodnet I have to say it's not as satisfying and there's many out there who do it fifth defending myself from my podcast. Well I don't know it seemed like a good idea at the time and I really enjoy my co-hosts on the c rm archeology podcast um that's one that I really recommend to my students in archeology the cr um archeology podcast is a great one to get a feel for okay, what happens next what happens after you get out of grad school or you're out of. Getting a b a or an a a if you're just trying to get in to the CRmField what's a day in the life like what should you do? What you? you not do what you to buy? What do you need like those shows are awesome and I I recommend those shows to my students all the time and I have to tell you guys I even recommend the ones. That I'm not in I know I know you're shocked I know why would I do such a thing. Ah those are those are great again. It's a narrow It's a narrower audience understandably, but there's it's so good for that. So I have a lot of like. Pride to be a part of that and to be a part of those other people they're the top quality co-hosts that I'm that I'm there with those guys are just great and and I think they all have a bit of a feeling towards what I'm telling all you guys right now in terms of kind of the underbelly of. 10:58.94 archpodnet The choices you have to make in order to bring archeological ideas which sometimes can be intrinsically pretty complicated to an audience and have fun with it have a little fun. You know have a laugh dude life's too short. So yeah, the podcast. The podcast thing I'm super happy to do and it's been It's been just to who and the suit archeology podcast which you are listening to right now did sort of fall into my lap like I saw a need I saw this show that was out which has hadn't been. Re up for like 4 years and I'm like that's a great idea for a podcast I'll just reup it. You know? So ah, that's my defense for that and finally the tough one. The television world. How do I defend myself? Well here's what I would say I've watched I I've watched some of the shows that I've been on. Um, and I have a real love hate against watching myself sometimes I look forward. It's funny. You know what I look forward more to listening to myself like if a if one of these podcasts comes out. Of mine I look more forward to because I want to see how it came out because I knew it was like my baby and so I want to see like if it if it reached where I thought it would for television I'm just a cog in a much larger machine. 12:25.40 archpodnet So Sometimes I am like reticent to watch because so there's certain things I've been in. You know that I didn't watch at all or I just watch a little bit or you know, but but I do feel like I should watch it just to make sure everything came Out. Um I will say most things I've been in I've watched you know and ah. And I'm I'm happy with it. It's never Perfect. So The television world is different because you're just part of a much larger scope and I feel for the producers of those kinds of television shows on the Discovery Channel on the Science Channel right? And even yes on the history Channel. I I feel for those guys because that world a lot of you guys. Don't don't know that world that world is where these people have to come up with shows that will be green lit where the production company will get behind it and actually make it so they are constantly throwing ideas out these are smart people. These are not dummies. Sometimes people think oh well they made like ancient aliens. They must be Dumb. No no, no, no, no, these people are smart and these people are trying to get an audience because yes, you could make the most correct archeological show ever. But if it's boring and there's no audience for it. It doesn't Matter. So. You have to strike that balance I am proud of every show I've been in on television I think the producers and the director and the cameramen in the sound guys did a fantastic job I Think that's the easiest place to look for my fraudulent activities. 13:58.19 archpodnet Because if you see some of the stuff I've said on television you could you could you might know the other side of the story or be like well I would explain a slightly different way. But but you have to realize that that had to be produced under very specific tolerances for a very specific storyline and I will also ah say that I'm also proud of. All the other people I work with um as as I work through past preservers who's kind of my representation the other ah personalities I would say sort of the the ah these are all other professionals in the world of archeology or Geology. You know there's a couple other ologies in there. History. That we all are trying our due diligence Best to get the real story to you guys and if you think as you watch one of these shows that it's a little off or you don't like it. This is I This is where social media will really start to knock not just me, but anyone who's a part of these shows. I would dare them to read the treatment for it before we got involved because you know what if they don't hire an archeologist. They're going to hire an actor so isn't it better to have somebody like me or my other colleagues who do this. Where we can at least at the last minute we can change the script I'll say script like sometimes it's very just kind of ah like like beats that you're going to talk to.. It's all over the place I've I've had ones where there is a script that I kind of riff on just to to tell the. 15:33.40 archpodnet Real story I will say I'm not just reading lines or something like that so that they are good at trying to get their hosts to say real stuff because they do want the real story but they want to be able to couch it in a television show. That's going to sell so i'm. I'm proud of that stuff that is a very very difficult world to work in. You know those shows being a um, a presenter I guess you would say that's that's what I've done and and the friends of mine who've who've done it as well. They know we are the few and the proud but we know the difficulties of that those are very difficult shoot days where. We are put in literally a hot seat I mean it looks like an interrogation seat lights on you 1 seat and then you just start to answer questions about archeology or tell little stories about archeology for hours like 11 hours you know however long it's a long time and you have to keep up your energy and you have to keep it interesting for the audience. So that's what I would defend myself for my fraudulent charges by saying that I'm trying my best just to get along and when we get back. What should we do with me.