00:00.00 archpodnet Hello and welcome back to episode 111 of the pseudo archeology podcast and I am still your host Dr Andrew King Kella and we were talking about the dating of the sphinx and how it's sort of a case closed situation and I will say in all this again. I I've really enjoyed. Ah, the the feedback that I've got and I will try and incorporate your guys's feedback into later episodes and this kind of thing if you have questions if I can incorporate them smoothly like I like I have here. So ultimately, you know 1 thing that bums me out about the whole sphinx thing. Is I had to Google and dig to find that two thousand and nine radiocarbon article that basically answers everything you know and if you're just a regular everyday person. You're not going to know how to find that. Like I googled Sphinx dates I think and every bspseudo archeology thing came up. You guys. You couldn't even find that radiocarbon article. You know it's the sphinx dating is buried in Media B S Hype like the first thing that comes up is you know I think it was like a 1999 Nbc article or something it was like sphinx states who knows right? The media just trying to make some dumb story out of it and it's such a bummer right? because normal people you can't find the actual like. 01:34.23 archpodnet Story on this I find this so often in archeology because I think most of us we just want to know the real the real stuff we want to know the age of the Sphinx. We want to know that like oh actually there were a couple bits of charcoal inside the mortar of the sphinx. They're able to date it case closed. You know. But you never hear it because the stupid point counterpoint never ending fake debate you know continues. Oh is it 10000 years old no it's not we're done we're done right so I I see that you know in googling now. Yes I was able to find the radiocarbon article but I shouldn't have to we should all be able to find that we shouldn't Google something simple like that and then have to see twenty BS articles that are like all wrong all angle you to the wrong thing honestly. Same thing happens for the guitar tone. What they do find a bunch of Bs stuff. But then you have to kind of dig a little deeper and then you find the real science. So I blame the media for that. You know I blame this never ending need for this point counterpoint. Oh we don't know who's really right? Guess we do. You know it's like data is a real thing. The other thing I was looking up some dating methods in general to see like I wanted to see if there was anything to the like erosion hypothesis or or any sort of backdoor way I could deal with it like I could go oh we could. 03:02.34 archpodnet Talk about the erosion hypothesis in terms of this kind of dating or something I couldn't really find anything because of course the short answer is you know, can you date stone. No unless you're doing something like potassium argon or argon argon dating and that's basically lava flows and that's. Age of dinosaurs stuff. You know when you're doing something like that. You're dating something that's a hundred million years old and you go like plus or minus one hundred thousand years that kind of dating is pointless for anything dealing with modern humans in any way like I've never used ah potassium organ or Aron Aron dating we just wouldn't do it. But I've used. Carbon Fourteen dozens of times so in looking that up I think I I just sort of typed in like modern dating methods or modern archeology dating methods the the hit that comes up the most is a. Book that's called mythology of modern dating methods published by wait for it. The institute for creation research. Ah, although if you have an institute with an oxymoron in its title. That can be kind of cool. But for those you don't know the institute of creation research this is going to be just a bspseudoscience book on why dating methods don't work because you've got to have a 6000 year old world. Yep welcome to my life. Ah. 04:34.95 archpodnet So that's the kind of stuff that kills me you know and if you're just a person looking up, you just you're just curious about dating methods. You look up like modern dating methods and that's the first hit a book I think it was from like 1999 or something to. By the institute for creation research on why dating methods don't work when I look at this stuff and it's a very instructive educational experience for me to just Google this stuff like anyone else would um I'm bummed out much more than not by the first ten hits. You know it's really unfortunate that that kind of stuff comes up because it just colors the debate before you even start which is not even a debate at all. You know the the idea that modern dating methods somehow don't work is ludicrous. They work. Great. But. If we're adults. You know we can talk about things like well modern data methods have a ah factor of plus or minus fifty years or 100 years or 10 years depending like carbon 14 dating honestly the the plus or minus aspect but tends to increase. As we get further back in the past and carbon 14 dating once you get to about 70000 years old or so it will no longer work. There's too little carbon 14 left to measure accurately and as I said there's ah. 06:04.29 archpodnet Aspects to the calibration curve where it gets a little more wiggly it'll give you a slightly larger plus or minus date. But we're working on it and I have huge respect for like the authors of that 2009 radiocarbon paper right? where they. We're like you know what we're going to take the data and we're going to try and make it better. They had no secret agenda to make it fit. They simply used bayesian modeling in order to narrow the dates. That's it and it happened to fall in their favor on that one. You know we always want to keep an open mind in science which we totally do if they used the bayesian modeling and it made it more towards the 300 years too old. We would then start to look for reasons why it's 300 years too old. We go ooh. Maybe this. Idea of care's rainign being here. Maybe it was a little bit earlier. Ohh maybe the sphinx actually does go towards Khufu the earlier pharaoh. You know we would we would try and explain these things rationally and using wait for it. Common sense and with that I appreciate you guys a lot my friends thanks for all of it and I'll see you next time.