00:00.80 archpodnet All right? Welcome back to the pseudo archeology podcast episode 112 I am your host one more time. Dr Andrew Kingkella and we are discussing the salutrian versus the sourian hypothesis and we are here. To listen to my closing thoughts on this. My friend my final my my final little two cents on which one's worse and you know what I have fun with this one of the fun things in the pseudo archeology world is talking about what's the worst of all. You know and as I've discussed on previous episodes I think the very worst idea in all of pseudo archeology is still ancient astronauts right? Ancient maya astronauts. That's the worst one that is the number 1 winner of the stupid medal of all time award. Now this this one's more complicated right? It's like is the idea that there were lizard people a hundred million years ago with complex societies on earth ah that that was true or the idea that people came across from Europe. Into the new world like twenty thousand years ago or if that's true which one's worse like on the surface which one would you say now I think on the surface we're going to go with the lizard people right? because the lizard people is like so stupid. 01:32.61 archpodnet And it's so silly really this is almost like a silliness factor or an outlandish factor. You know, but but let me kind of go a little deeper with this. So yeah, we're gonna go lizard people all right, all right that stupid but check this out for the everyday public. Who my listeners are not. You are much beyond this silly silly normal public everyday Joe I know you are my friends because you people are awesome, but your normal everyday. Joe is I think going to look at the salurian hypothesis with the lizard people and be like ah yeah, that's like. Okay, that's stupid and and they'll have a laugh right with the salutrian hypothesis if somebody's really pushing it. They're going to go with it. You know that's an easy one to to make seem like it's much more than it really is. It reminds me a lot actually of the difference between ancient aliens and ancient apocalypse and what I mean there is we poo poo ancient aliens so much right? and I'm not here to say ancient. Aliens is great. I'm not here to say ancient. Aliens is correct but ancient. Aliens is so outlandish that I think a decent number of people can watch that and see its outlandishness right and have a laugh at its expense and just go. Oh yeah, whatever aliens right um. 03:05.90 archpodnet You can see that right. It's so over the top but ancient apocalypse. The Graham Hancock show Masquerades as seriousness Graham Hancock takes it seriously people who watch it take it seriously the thousands of people who hate me on my Youtube channel took it seriously right. And so that's the problem between those 2 I would say ancient apocalypse is worse because it it lies to people much more The lie is much more harmful right? because it's just it's making people believe total false things that they think of as history and as fact. Whereas ancient aliens like yeah you know hey aliens it was fun I needed something fun to watch on a Friday night right? I see bits of this here too while the sillurian hypothesis can be a pain because like that. Stupid discovery article. You know it's it's there just for clickbait and people look at it and go civilizations hundred million years ago lizard people. We should go look for them on the moon. It. It's sort of. Goes away after a while you know, ah and it's it doesn't hurt too much. This is sort of silly but the salutrian hypothesis you know this idea that europeans came a long time ago. You can you can see how that can be sort of. 04:36.61 archpodnet Bastardized and used by like the aryan nation. You know to say that like white people have always been here or something like that. Ah or it can be easily shown to be to have much more scientific depth than it really does. You know it's when in the end, it's really just a decent example of hyper diffusion. You know the idea that everything's interrelated the idea that these points over here in France are related to these points over in America when they're just not. Right? And you know what I'm going to throw a bone though to the salutrians I'll even say this let's say they made it. Let's say that like 4 guys in a kayak did come over and I'm not even talking about the points. Because you know that that salutrian points are related at Clovis points because they're just not like like let's just go know on that. But let's just say that somebody from europe by way of the pack ice I don't know got to got to North America Ten Thousand years ago it just doesn't matter. Right? there it was just culturally meant nothing right? it it meant nothing to the history of human beings in the new world. So. It's fun to think of did it happen. No. 06:07.62 archpodnet But as I said before I'll give it a point zero zero zero two chance right? You're sort of rooting for it because it's a fun story but dude nobody made it across I feel similarly when people ask me about polynesians did like ancient hawaiians make it to the West Coast um the short answer is no and the longer answer is I mean if they did it just had no bearing on modern native history and by modern native history I mean the history of native groups throughout the ages there. It didn't mean anything. Right? that 1 boat washed ashore the 1 time or something like that. So as always I'm here to bum you out and tell you that really interesting stories are not true. Why why do you listen to me. I guess if there's a silver lining which I I really can't see from my pit of despair but I'm pretty sure it's out there. It is again that the sillurian hypothesis is so outlandish that nobody's really going to take it seriously. And the salutrian hypothesis has been disproven by good science and by with that damn it I I messed up the very end I was doing so well if you could re-edit here. We go and with that. 07:45.50 archpodnet I'll see you guys next time.