00:00.53 kinkella Hello and welcome back to the pseudo archeology podcast episode 130 I'm your host one last time. Dr Andrew Kingkea and we are wrapping up charles at the end bresu bo bo and we have been saying. Wow he did a lot of interesting first things for the world of Maya Studies he um found a copy of Diego Delanda's relacion de las coastas de yucatan it's this really kind of large book of of Delanda's writings that he that Bor Borg republished in 62 that's just huge for Maya Studies he um he attempted a translation of my hieroglyphics. He failed whatever it happens he did a translation of the ppal voo that's like that's great man good for him but he also has all this information now. That he explains everything all his deep interesting knowledge by saying it's connected to Atlantis and the way that the old world right? that european culture and the new world maya culture is connected is. Through Atlantis so you guys this is where like Ignatius Donnley and all those other fools that this is where they get it from right? They get it from this guy breur de bor borg who's. 01:31.21 kinkella Trying to make connections where he doesn't have any data and just throws it lanceist in and what really hurts the cause of science here is also that remember the book. I I told you that when he did 66 the um ancient monuments of Mexico with they had pallanky in it and stuff he had this guy Jean Fredrick waldeck illustrated for him and waldeck did the illustrations in a really like. Classic antiquity style like it looks like Greece and Rome like it has that vibe. It looks like like you know how the statue of David looks it's it's that kind of look and he draws all the maya people and the um hieroglyphics in that style. And just take huge flights of artistic fancy and it looks just funny and weird and I think it's odd that you have this kind of stuff especially after Stevens and Catherwood because Catherwood was like such the incredible. Um. 02:43.31 kinkella Lithograph artists like just so photo realistic that once you have Catherwood Katherineward just crushes everyone but his images are still good today so you have this guy waldeck just draw these weird like classical and they all have those classic funky contrapasto poses. You know so it just it looks like this. Weird like wait I'm in Rome but there's it's kind of jungly like that's what it looks like you know and so it just gives it's like if I'm the general public and I'm looking at waldex drawings of the Maya world which are just like flights of fancy. I would think the maya were related to Greece and Rome and it would make an idea like Atlantis being the connection between it all make a lot more sense. You know, but it's just all predicated on fake bullshit and this is the kind of stuff. That modern pseudoareologists like Ram Hancock this is the kind of stuff that they call back to and they talk about this crap as if it was a fact right? as if like it was waldeck who uncovered this great information. No waldeck was just. Had no idea what he was doing so he just drew stuff in the classical Greek style. You know so it just gives it a totally incorrect flavor. It's weird. You guys like I um I recommend just looking up some of these you know Maya images by Waldeck you'll see they have all those funky again. The. 04:17.72 kinkella The poses you know you'd be like oh they're all poses like Greek statues. It's a bunch of maya guys like post like they're like they're in Greece so as time goes on. You know we're getting to the late 1860 s um. 04:36.81 kinkella Well ah, not waldic um Bor Borg Bor Borg writes more um he has ah has a book I think it's called 4 letters on Mexico or something where he goes onward more about the specific connection between the ancient maya and ancient Egypt. 04:55.15 kinkella And Atlantis um, that's really where ignais donnelly gets his atlantean stuff and it's also this sows the seeds for a movement called mayanism and. Mayanism is really It's really even more twentieth century but but it started here in the nineteenth century that new age like bixixi matchy astrology extraterlestrial ancient astronaut. Graham Hancock Eric Von Dinineakkin you just mix and stir it all up. You know that that sort of factf freee um sort of pseudo religious thing I think I'll do a podcast just on mayanism because it has its own. Story but the seeds for that are sown right here with Bor Borg's stuff you know like that's what they harken back to and so when you do a deep dive like this you can see that the foundation is just worthless. Right? It is nothing. It's just smoke. Um and that's what I find so that's why I love doing this. You know I love I love spending an afternoon and brushing up on breast here to bore poor you know and and being like oh right? that? Oh yeah, the guy. Oh right? The guy with the. 06:26.24 kinkella Ah, Delanda relaion right? You know, but that he also had these writings these sort of out of left field writings that that started a movement just built on nothing. You know it's really, it's a really interesting trip to to be like wow it really is nothing. Um, but bork did have 1 more trick up his sleeve. Um all around at around this time in the 1860 s he also he identified and published half of the codex madrid the madrid codec now you guys there are. 4 this is a maya codex. There are only 4 known codices in the world that survived you know after the spanish burned all of them and he found the first half of the madrid codex um and published it that the second half came to light later and was put together but that. Just that too amazing right? good for you. Ah bresur to borborg man just with his again with his connections with Libraries Museums Collectors he knew what it was. He realized its importance. And published it right? So this was this is a copy of the original bark paper screen fold. They fold out right? Maya ah books I've seen one of them in person at at a museum and they're. 07:59.50 kinkella They're very impressive. But yeah, the madrid codex um, really really great. So by that time. he's yeah He's getting he's getting older is his early 50 s he's going to end up dying in. Nicee in 1874 have you ever been to. Nice I have nicee is well here we go. It's nice it is niece is nice I did the the beach there. Nice place if you have to pick a place to die. I think breast year to bo borg did made a good call in in ah in dying a nice. So ultimately with this really interesting career. You know what would I say ultimately about bra here to bo borg. Um I don't. Mind what else is he supposed to do you know it's 1860 and I have to give the guy massive props for finding and publishing this stuff like that pushed maya studies way forward? Um, but. I and I again I don't even hit him for an incorrect translation that's tough but I do hit him for all the Atlanta Silliness it's like dude you did not have to do that like that's silly so you know in the end I would say that bresser de Bor Borg was a. 09:34.44 kinkella Great recorder of archeology and history but a terrible translator right? He was great at collecting the facts and the data but terrible at putting it together. Um, and I even wonder for somebody like him. You know if he was like reincarnated today and could see what we've done I I kind of think he'd go with the science I kind of think he'd throw away all the Atlanta stuff because again he didn't have much of a better. Ah explanation I think he would look at it and go oh oh right yeah this atlantas stuff is stupid. Oh right? Yeah, no, this is much better I think he would be really excited for the steps we've made in modern Maya Archeology so in the end. 10:25.41 kinkella Charles at the end brasioa de bo bo you get a big pass from Dr Andrew Canke Dis and leanandro because hey you tried your best man and it's not your fault that those that came after you. We're such screw ups and with that I'll talk to you guys next time.