00:00.50
archpodnet
Hello and welcome back to the pseudo archeology podcast episode None the shroud of Turin. So how was the shroud made right? How was this fake done now. None thing that really. Bugs me and if you can tell anything from this podcast I'm bugged a lot is when you Google like how shroud was made construction of shroud of turin all that comes up is pseudor archeology b s like it's actually really hard. To Google and find real experiments in the real answer like what I noticed when I googled it. The biggest thing that came up there was a there was a headline from the daily mail from 2011 that says Turin shroud was created by a flash of supernatural light. It couldn't be a medieval forgery says scientists. That's the headline a total croc. It's wrong. What do you mean says scientists what scientists the one that the church bought. Ah. Right? Regular scientists would never say that had to be created by it. It couldn't be a medieval forgery had to be a flash of supernatural light give me a break but I don't blame people you know for maybe thinking that because if you Google it. That's. All that comes up or the other one that you hear all the time how was shroud of Turin created an energy release. No. No so how was it made what how is this thing made. Um, it's actually it was it was actually figured out doing experimental archeology which is something I love I love experimental archeology experimental archeology is where we recreate things of the past today just to see how they work like if I'm curious. How good. An arrowhead is. I'll make a new one that looks exactly like the one from a thousand years ago and I'll shoot it with a bow and arrow and see if it works and so it it takes out all the Bs it takes out all the guesswork right? You just make one and then you show it, you go look at works and everyone goes ok. Experimental archeology is great. So they did 2 things. They've actually done a bunch of things with the shroud and of course they can't use the real shroud. They can't even look at the real shroud right? So everyone gets on scientists like oh well, you don't know how the shroud was really made. You're not a hundred percent sure and it's like.

02:47.40
archpodnet
Yeah, we can't be None sure because you'll never show us the actual shroud. It's like it's like if you needed work on your car if you were like yeah man, my engine isn't working very well well. Ah yeah, I'd like to fix your car. Can you show it to me. No. But here's a ah picture of my car and here's a 1 minute recording of my engine fix my car right? That is exactly what scientists have to do because the church has learned from its mistakes. You think it's going to let scientists do stuff after the carbon 14 debacle of 1988 hail now right? They're not dumb. So these scientists have to figure out. Why your car isn't working if it's bad gas if it's the injectors if it's the spark plugs if it's other engine issues based on a picture you took ten years ago of your car and a recording you made six months ago right can't actually see the real car. But got a guess from that so you can see that in That example, if you hear a car's engine missing you can you can be like dude. It's probably 1 of these 3 you know, but pseudo archeology crowds can get down on you. You don't really know why the car is not working. Yeah, you won't show me the car. So experimental archeologists have ah done a great job none in terms of how you get the image on the linen in the none place. So what they've done is they've taken a blank piece of linen they got somebody. Ah ah to ah lay down on a on a table. Put the linen over them and then they put some pigment over the linen. So this isn't paint a lot of times you hear people say but it's not paint. Yeah, it's not paint. It's like think of think of just like ah that sandy kind of granular pigment. You can put on stuff like making a rubbing. You know it's very similar to that I've seen that in the. Maya World where I work where people will make rubbings of Maya Stella they'll put a big piece of paper and then they'll use like graphite and they'll make a rubbing you know or you've done this as a kid made a rubbing on something where the image kind of comes up same thing here. Yeah, it's it's a body size rubbing. So. They put the pigment in the pigment's got a tiny bit of acid in it. They kind of they they rub it on there then they shake it off and then they cook it they they like put it in it in a oven for like half an hour to age it a little and then after they do that you have the image on there then they put the quote unquote bloodstains on there.

05:26.87
archpodnet
In the key areas so they use this initial pigmentation thing and then they gussy it up a little with some art right? You you draw you can even use real blood but I don't think they did um and they put it in the key areas you know on the hands and on the on the feet. It's how it's done. Right? And this is so typical I've seen so many frauds in forgeries done exactly like this where it's a combination of None or 2 tricks because remember the forger is going for the look. That's what matters. It's not going for some specific style or using only paint or only pigment or whatever they're going for like. We got to make this look like it was like the light of god you guys? What are we going to do and of course they're going to a lot of times people will cook things or burn things a little to give it that aged look right? You need that sort of browned aged look and so that's what they did there. You go. Right? How hard is that but you know yeah the the church ain't too happy with letting people like me in to do real experiments so you have people doing experimental archeology on the linen. They also did a great one on. Blood stains and showed that the blood patterns on the shroud are totally wrong if you actually had a victim who was bleeding from the wrists and from the ankles you know like that. Ah the blood patterns. On the shroud would be all over the place. They wouldn't just be all super nice, right? right? where the wound is think about it if you cut yourself really bad right? It gets all over the place. You know it's like ah man I need a couple more bandys. Ah damn it I got it on my pants. Oh wait I was carrying my. Bag and I got it on the handle right? The blood kind of goes. It just gets on any everything. It's not just some little nice blot right? That's done to draw your eye to the to the wrists and and to the ankle area right? So you go oh yes. I see yes, this must be the shroud of Jesus because they're giving you the the bits that your mind wants right? They're playing to your wants classic CArcheology this is what you want right? and you want Jesus of the None to look in this manner. So this is a None hundreds Jesus which has its own interest now the part that I always come to so what do I think in the end I want to know what was going on in None

08:13.62
archpodnet
That's the great story is this the shroud of Jesus of course not but it is an awesome fake. What's happening in None who actually did it. Where did the shroud first come up it. It seems to have come up in France you know somewhere what are other examples in the local area right? But what What's its early story. That's the awesome part who who are the criminals right? Who done it. That's what's the great story here you know. And and this is old remember this is pre Columbus right? None old you know that's great and some fakes like this can have their own their own history. And that's fine. We can enjoy these so in the end what happened with me and the woman on the flight we ended our conversation on the shroud of Turin and we parted. As friends and with that I'll see you guys next time.