00:00.00 archpodnet All right? We'll go. 00:00.83 Alan Well I don't I don't remember exactly what I said but something about federally recognized tribes. Ah first is nonrecognd tribes I believe formed the bulk of the California indian nation if you. Wanted to call with that. Um, what are the implications of that in terms of those that don't have gaming and really are still trying to get some sort of a foothold in all of this. 00:37.90 William Well, it just a lot of his location in terms of you know which tribes are successful with gaming and which ones aren't or can't ah really can't draw enough people to make a gaming facility function but there still is a revenue sharing program where the gaming tribes share with the non-gaming tribes. Ah, certain amount of money every single year The hope to hope there being is that they would use it from a basis of leveraging but it's up to each tribe to decide how they're going to use that money but you know oftentimes, there's grants are required 20% match those monies could be Used. Um. 00:54.92 Alan Okay. 01:13.40 William An example of an a and a grant if you're going to apply $400000 you would be able to match it with $25000 so actually you're making that money grow if you follow those types of routes look different things what you can do as far as improving your own travel condition. Ah. 01:19.43 Alan Yeah, yeah, so there is Avenue There is avenues of for them to get pull themselves up by their bootstraps and sort of to participate in this. 01:32.16 William Yes. 01:37.86 Alan In this? ah economic Largesse. So what I was going to talk about next was kind of my experience being in archaeology anthropology for 50 years and seeing some of the changes that went on. Um I think the biggest change in our profession is the. The extent of participation and the leverage that native americans have now with respect to issues. Um issues relating to you know the the nature of historic preservation. Um, native american monitors. Repatriation um, native american concerns the amount of sort of consultation and coordination that's going on have you seen a dramatic change in that over the course of you know you're in in your seventy s I'm in my 70 s. And so I think we can sort of take look at it with an historical perspective. Can we not. 02:37.47 William Yeah, we can and but I think there's still some problem in terms of reaching some type of equilibrium with the as because there's still a wall of resistance That's that's out there. 02:43.88 Alan Oh absolutely oh bit out big big time but but but we have come at least so you know we have made some progress have we not. 02:58.72 William We have. But I think going back to the beginning and let me let me ah, put it this way in terms of when archeology. What was it back in the 70 s and especially because of the passage of seql we started getting into mitigation archeology. So what was mitigation. 03:00.82 Alan Yeah, yeah. 03:10.75 Alan That's right? Yep yep. 03:14.59 William If I went out to a site as an archeologist. The only thing I was going to be required to do is sample 1% of 1% of the site and that completed the science and then the archeologist walked away and let the bulldozers go loose it. 03:20.00 Alan Right? right? Yep yep, you're right? just your that. 03:29.55 William Didn't matter that there were a thousand to 2000 or five thousand burials on the site and they would eventually get bull those because that was just the procedure at the time and so you know came the demand for native american monitors that met with absolutely strong resistance. 03:34.60 Alan You're right. 03:38.60 Alan Yes, early on. 03:46.70 Alan Yes. 03:49.15 William You know I worked as a monitor for free quite often and then getting it to the level of being a pawn paid monitor was you know, just really pissed off a lot of archeologists having to pay an Indian person. 04:00.14 Alan Yeah, yeah, yeah. 04:03.73 William And even I object to somebody just standing around just watching I think you got to be a participant. You just can't stand back and just watch something because you know you're letting somebody else control the situation. Then if you're not an active participant. So so big. Yeah yeah. 04:06.54 Alan Um, yeah. 04:15.82 Alan Yeah, yeah, so those are those are all valid concerns. Absolutely yeah, but I'm but I but but I think I'm seeing and tell me if I'm wrong I can give you some examples that that some native Americans have sort of a. 04:23.70 William And so. 04:34.91 Alan Begun to embrace a knowledge of or ah, a particular position or expertise or career in a heritage preservation. Um, yes, no, it's true. It's true. 04:44.65 William You Yeah, but you got to get out there and know what you're preserving I'm so them are that that's and I see that as being part of the fault with some of the things going on and I trying to remember how many members heritageish wish and know Attorneys How often do they get out and get their shoes dirty. 04:54.61 Alan Yeah. 04:59.70 Alan Um, go ahead? Yeah yeah, yeah. 05:04.35 William You know, um, it's like when I was at the commission. All of our members with exception of I think 1 or 2 Well we're elders and and came through that struggle and saw the change and fought for things and and then you know realize what. 05:12.74 Alan Yeah, yeah. 05:22.45 William What the victory was in having a heritage commission. No so so I think that transition now where you have younger people coming up and I'll say it just seeking title versus somebody. That's actually interested in preservation. 05:23.32 Alan Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah. 05:32.86 Alan Yeah, yeah, yeah. 05:38.82 William It gets extremely complicated and you know this once you get married to a project. It can take you years just on a single site to get anything accomplished so that's a lot of dedication. 05:41.98 Alan Yes, again. Yeah yeah, yeah, well I think that's it for the first segment see in the flip flop gang. We'll get into things a little bit deeper.