00:01.84 archpodnet I Allen Allen stand by I muted you instead of myself find your microphone icon and just unmute your track because I can't do it for you. Wow, that's thats a great start all right I'm gonna mute myself now. So alllan go ahead. 00:12.33 alan I got it. 00:17.10 Linsie Lafayette Okay. 00:18.90 alan Thank you. 00:24.91 alan Well welcome everybody to episode one one five the last one of 2023 and we're ah honored and blessed to have Lindsey Lafayette from the archeological conservancy on board who'll be talking to us about what that is. And how that relates to call it cultural resource management or conservation of ah native american and historic sites and how that might even relate to rock art Preservation Lindsay are you with us. 00:56.27 Linsie Lafayette Hi Allen thanks for having me I am yeah. 00:59.70 alan It sounds sounds like you're loud and clear. You told me you were coming coming in from an exotic location Correct Wow That's that how fabulous is that Well welcome. 01:05.64 Linsie Lafayette Yes, I'm in Nova Scotia Canada on the the second level of a historic farmhouse. Yeah. 01:18.70 alan To the archaeology podcast the rock guard podcast. We've been doing this for about 3 years and you're the first person to come on board to talk to us about the archeological conservancy. But before we sort of probe into that maybe tell us a little bit about how you. Got involved with the profession of anthropology archaeology perhaps the study of native americans and culture resources. 01:45.42 Linsie Lafayette Ah, well I always liked history and I always liked my grandmother's stories about our um, old family history and so I thought I wanted to be a um history teacher because I enjoyed history the best and um, so then when I went to university I saw. I said I would major in history. But then I saw the archeology of North american indians as ah as a class to take and so I thought ooh that sounds so interesting. Um I'll take that and then I ended up taking the whole series and then. Majoring in it and I found myself with a bachelor of arts and anthropology. Um from the oregon state university there in corvalles and ah after that um I went to France and I dug um in a. In a rock shelter in Southern France and um I came back and ah looked for work. So I just became a shovel pum basically on the East Coast for a little while and that's where I met my husband who is from. The East Coast of Canada which is why I'm here today? Um, and so just random chance ah brought us to Nevada in Reno I got a short term work with the blm state office with Pat Barker and I worked with him for a little while and when that was over. 03:12.72 Linsie Lafayette Um, he and I worked um crm for about three more years and we decided that um, we should go. We should get our master's degrees from university of Nevada Reno in their program in um, in Reno and. 03:32.50 Linsie Lafayette That's what we did and um, we graduated and um, then we did c r him for a little while longer and and then he went on to get his ph d in Wyoming and I moved to Wyoming with him and worked um with the office of the wyoming state archeologist in Laramie for. Couple of years and then we ended up back out in Nevada um, and I did Crm again for about 13 years with one company until um until I got work with the conservancy which I feel very lucky to have. Ah. 04:00.52 alan Well. 04:08.78 Linsie Lafayette Had the opportunity to work with them that. 04:11.58 alan That's quite a yeah pedigree. Don't you think in terms of the experience that you've had is very broad. Both old world old world and new extensive work in cultural resource Management historic preservation. 04:23.83 Linsie Lafayette Um, yeah. 04:27.99 alan Different geographies. You would mention that your master's thesis. 04:31.15 Linsie Lafayette Yes, yeah, I've been all over the country and ah oh my master's thesis. Sure it was um, ah you swear analysis on great bays and stimmed points. So what I did was I um. 04:35.39 alan Go ahead. 04:43.37 alan On him. 04:47.88 Linsie Lafayette I had replicas made by James Woods there in Idaho and he made some replica parmins and wind dust and haskets and then I halfted them? um onto um, spear points. Half of them onto spear points and half of them onto knives and then I I acquired um a deer carcass and um I hung it with rope in my backyard and um threw spears at it and then I looked at the useware on the spears and then after um. 05:16.42 alan Ah, love. 05:23.53 Linsie Lafayette Well after that was done after I threw the spears at it then I um I had some halfs it his knives and I I um skinned the deer and cut some meat off the deer and um then I looked at at the use wear as knives and Then. I was able to look at some collections. Um from cougar Mountain Cave and last supper cave and hanging Rock Shelter um under a microscope and I compared the useware on those um artifacts with the useware that I created from Repka stempoints. Um. 05:44.14 alan Wow. 05:57.64 Linsie Lafayette That I used in my experiment and that was my master's oh um, that I think that stempoints were used for both knives and spears and for throwing at Lat's ah some. 05:58.73 alan And what did you and what and what did you learn? What was the upshot. 06:12.47 alan Um, Wow yeah. 06:16.92 Linsie Lafayette Kind of high impact throwing and as well as knives. Yeah, the multi-purpose tool which I think is um. 06:21.40 alan Well, that's pretty exciting. No one had done that before had they no one had done that kind of level of replicative experiments that you had and that is ah, an incredible project and one that's certainly very very valuable and interesting. Those. 06:33.78 Linsie Lafayette Um, thank you. 06:39.46 alan Parmins and windows points are paleoindian are they not and they go go way back in time I think the windows goes back to like 11500 and parmen about the same or earlier. 06:53.21 Linsie Lafayette Ah, yeah I haven't um I haven't looked into the current research. So I don't know exactly when when what they date to anymore. But definitely in that ballpark. Yeah early early Paleo Um, is what they come from? yeah. 07:05.90 alan Yeah, and that wind dust and parment are part of that western stem tradition that we now are finding goes back as much as 16000 if not even earlier years ago and is part of that Pre-clovis Stratum that has been ah. Discovered in Oregon correct. Yeah. 07:24.69 Linsie Lafayette Yes, in conolly caves by ah Dr. Dennis Jenkins with the yuvo at the um oregon museum there the munch I think they call it. Yeah. 07:36.48 alan Yeah, I'm very familiar with that because I myself am working on a project project in Oregon so it's but it's been um, very eye-opening in a lot of ways to go out of California and you know and expand my research into Oregon similar. But yes that different. So quite remarkable. So how did you ah jump from all of that and find your way into the archeological conservancy. 08:03.50 Linsie Lafayette Ah, well, um, it's because ah, my husband Jeff Smith Dr. Jeff Smith is ah the um, he's a professor at ah u and r and he did an excavation or he was looking into a place to excavate and it was um. Leonard rock shelter and ah he needed to know who owned it and he found out. It wasn't the blm it was ah privately owned and not only privately owned but owned by the archeological conservancy which neither of us had heard of before and so he um, he you know. 08:32.72 alan Right. 08:38.98 Linsie Lafayette Just ah, you have to submit an application in order to work on their one of their pre preserves and then they they have ah a committee look it over over the application and then if you're approved um your field work can go ahead and and that is what happened in his case and so I think he spent a couple of years there and Leonard Rock shelter and got to know the western field director Cory Wilkins and ah later. Um, after the pandemic was over Cory was looking for um, a western field representative and so he called Jeff to see if any students. Um. Needed any work and he said that all of his students were um, you know they were employed and so he couldn't think of any but then he said the next day he thought I wonder if Lindsay would like to do that. So. 09:28.84 alan But so Serendipity played a nice part in this opportunity. Did it not. 09:31.50 Linsie Lafayette I decided I would like to do that. So um, so he I guess Yeah yes, it did So yeah I had ah a good lead on on that job opening. They didn't even advertise it. 09:44.66 alan So how did how did we meet Lindsay you and i. 09:51.20 Linsie Lafayette Well, let's see um, will we rely on people like you to let us know about ah properties that come up for sale that have significant archeological resources and um, you were one of those people that gave us the heads up and the tip and. Um, you let us know that there was an archeology site with the rock art because you um you like the rock art and um, you know you called us up and so I came and met you at the site and we we looked at it together and and talked About. Its significance and um, hopefully we'll be able um to acquire that site with that that tip it's for sale. Um, so I hope that it goes through can be a nice. It be a nice acquiquillition for for our ah for the conservancy. 10:36.86 alan Sure. Well, let's let's hold it there and we'll continue this discussion in the next episode see on the flip Flop gang.