00:00.48 archpodnet Welcome back to the rock art podcast everybody episode one sixteen I'm Chris Webster and I'm usually the producer here and sometimes I'm a co-host and we just wanted to come in on a third segment on this show because you know so not really a topic for an entire show but a lot of people always wonder. You know how do archaeologists actually make a living right? What do they actually do and Alan has got his hands in so many different things like a lot of people do um, just there. There's never like any 1 thing especially for somebody who's got such varied interest right? So we just wanted to talk about. Um, you know what what? actually. What pays the bills over here. What? what makes what does Alan do and and what does he offer the world as far as being an archeologist and a consultant. So um, let's just let's just go through the list. Alllan. 00:41.37 alan Exactly. 00:51.15 alan Well I think I'm a little bit different from many other archeologists but some are the same and some are different. Um, my greatest strength has not been the fieldwork side of the exercise of archeology. But the writing and research and publishing aspects. So ah, often often. My role is to take the data that's been acquired and then develop narrative surrounding it. Sometimes it's a scientific article. 01:12.46 archpodnet In here. 01:27.26 alan Sometimes it's a book. Um, and I'm also approached by individuals who are not archaeologists themselves but would like to be perceived as professionals of scholars as having expertise. 01:45.72 archpodnet E. 01:47.21 alan This subject are related subjects. So for an example I did a um, a book with 2 individuals who are collectors of sorts in native american basketry California um. The the prestigious beautiful masterpiece Basketry. It took 10 years to create the book I was involved with for four or five years and I was the editor they produced. Um, it cost a quarter million dollars to produce the book. 02:11.99 archpodnet In. 02:22.42 alan And I was paid I was paid $25000 to be their editor. The reason that they needed me as an editor is they themselves did not have expertise in the anthropology that the native theology ah the linguistic prehistory and the ethnic affiliations. 02:22.78 archpodnet Chis. 02:28.70 archpodnet Um, in. 02:42.41 alan And the symbolism of the Basketry. So all of that I brought to the table and had to help them. Ah, really the purpose of the book became to honor and acknowledge these fabulous artisans who produced it. Produce world-class objects. Ah which now are in museums or private collectors and what we did there was we had the photographs and the baskets both historic photographs and contemporary photographs. So. 03:10.55 archpodnet Um. 03:18.97 alan I Act as an editor often and also ah you know composing the ah research itself. So I'm also approached by by others who want to be perceived as professional but don't have the credentials and so they piggyback on my credential. 03:35.75 archpodnet But. 03:39.41 alan And then we approach various subjects ah that they have a passion for I have a general contractor out of the Bay area who came to me and wanted to ah write scientific articles to get some gravitas and prestige and. 03:46.10 archpodnet Um, yeah. 03:58.27 alan Recognition in the profession. He went overseas Lyn Germany and Exam California Indian Material culture collections and came back with photographs and massive amounts of information and we took that and turned it in an article. 04:01.86 archpodnet Um, easy b. 04:14.20 archpodnet Um, yeah. 04:18.80 alan That appeared in the journal of California and great Bas and anthropology and I was paid. You know a tidy sum for that particular expertise it took it usually takes about a year or 2 to really do ah a good scientific article and to do a book like the kinds of books I do. I would say a minimum of 4 years two to 4 years to to to put a book together on the other side independent of the people that come to me for my expertise in publishing books and scientific articles I do get retained on a contractual basis. 04:37.90 archpodnet Um, yeah. 04:55.79 alan To do. Um you know I should call it cultural resource management environmental compliance either in California for cqa or in the federal realm for the national historic preservation act and Nepa we put rock art sites and other sites. 05:01.83 archpodnet Is it. 05:13.35 alan On the national register of historic places or evaluate them and we then also develop ah conservation packages and packages interpretative packages and we do this on contract for you know, substantial amounts of money in the tens of thousands of dollars. For particular projects where we provide the expertise to um, recognize these resources does that make any sense. 05:46.92 archpodnet Yeah, it does and it's such a I guess some wide area area of expertise because you wouldn't say that most academics could do anything in Crm. They're just not qualified from a permitting and regulatory Standpoint. They're qualified from an academic standpoint but not from that standpoint and then. You know on the other side of things. Ah people who are in COrm aren't typically writing a lot of books and to be that sort of thing. So um, it's nice to have the I guess the varied skill set and that's what this really requires we to actually? yeah, no go ahead? yeah. 06:18.43 alan So I live in I go ahead? No so I live in in multiple worlds. Um I am employed formally as an employee from several 3 different environmental firms. Um, they also help me to get the contracts but I also do work independently as a consultant for my own sole proprietorship. Um, and I have and I have the nonprofit California Rock Art Foundation that has sort of as an umbrella for a number of these contracts. 06:44.46 archpodnet E. 06:54.16 archpodnet Um, yeah, um. 06:55.70 alan That we then either document the sites and place them on the national register or evaluate them for the potential for the national register or ah figure out some way to better document and archive. Their imagery state of the art technology and develop ah particular measures to protect them ah called cultural resource management plans I did that way back in the 1970 s when I became a um. 07:22.33 archpodnet Um, yeah. 07:29.96 alan A temporary employee for the bureau of Land management and did my master's thesis and for the national register nominations of the fossil Falls little Lake area and then also the protection plan and interpret it interpretive brochures that went along with that and they implemented all of that. 07:49.70 archpodnet Me. 07:49.94 alan For um, for the management of that resource does that make any sense. 07:54.89 archpodnet Yeah, it does. That's really awesome and now you have this platform as well to you know do that sort of public outreach. 07:59.20 alan Is is that's is is that is that? Yeah yeah, is that something common to many of the people who have programs on the archeology Podcast Network or not. 08:14.49 archpodnet Honestly I don't think I would say so I mean a lot of people. They're only like creative and and I guess public outreach outlet is the podcast that they host a lot of times but we have some academics some peer academics on the show that that that aren't in Crm and we have other people who are in crm. 08:25.13 alan Um, ah. 08:31.79 archpodnet And that's what they do and um, the podcast is their one like unifying thing but I wouldn't say that they they keep their toes in in both worlds necessarily the academic and the theerum or professional side of things as much as as much as you do or other people like that. So. Yeah, it's really interesting and then you got the call of California Rock Art Foundation like you said, um, which is yeah yeah. 08:54.63 alan Right? And and we and we have we have cultural tours and and seminars ah and we twin them with field trips. So the other thing that I I like to do is make myself available to lecture. Um. 09:09.78 archpodnet Um. 09:10.18 alan And I've been a guest scholar to universities across the globe in Mexico and in in India to um to lecture and I'm compensated and they pay my travel costs and and I yeah go there for a couple of weeks and and present. 09:23.71 archpodnet Um, yeah. 09:28.67 alan And meet with both the academicians the professors but also the students and um, it's ah it's a tremendous honor and a privilege to sort of have that niche I've also done the same thing for other organizations like the. Utah rock art research association or Uc Santa Cruz also had me there as a guest scholar. So I guess there's kind of many different platforms that I pioneer and then with you Chris we've done webinars. 09:53.63 archpodnet Um, yeah. 10:02.86 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 10:04.15 alan Um, on on ah the podcast Network haven't we. 10:07.87 archpodnet Yeah, absolutely and those past webinars can be found. Actually there some of the stuff can be found on the archeology podcast network youtube page so just look for that. But then also for members of the archeology podcast network are. Past videos and webinars and everything we've done have always been right there available for members. So and Alan I think some of the stuff's available on your Youtube page as well. Some of the things that we've done. So um, we'll yeah, we'll go ahead and and. 10:32.10 alan Yes, yes yeah. 10:41.17 archpodnet Wrap it up there and mention that look in the show notes for this because Allen's email address and his website Dr Allegraphical Gold Dot Com are both linked on the show notes they're actually linked everywhere in the show notes if you're listening to any episode of the ah rock art podcast. You can find that contact info and and your' 10:58.13 archpodnet More than happy to respond to somebody and and have a conversation with them so anything else you want to wrap up with. 11:02.36 alan Yeah I I just I just would invite I would invite and anyone who has an interest in in perhaps ah producing a scientific article or a book. You know we could explore it together and see if that would work I yeah. 11:15.91 archpodnet Um. 11:18.97 alan Recently got ah a phone call several phone calls and contacts with a woman. Um, who has a you know private land that she owns where they found an enormous cash of obsidian. 11:32.68 archpodnet Oh. 11:36.20 alan Obsidian bifaces projectile points and other related numbering 600 individual objects that are sme smeared with red ochre and she's been after me for for years to write that up. So I'm finally beginning to correspond with her and. 11:44.20 archpodnet Um, ah. 11:54.95 alan And work with her on that project. It'll take us a couple of years to to put that 1 together all right. 11:59.58 archpodnet Um, yeah, nice, awesome Well thanks for that and for everybody else we're gonna have Johnny back on on the next episode so stay tuned for that He's got a lot more to say and so I'm looking forward to that and with that. We will see you next time. 12:16.54 alan Take care see you all in the flip flop gang. 12:21.40 archpodnet Okay, I'm going to leave the recording going so we can just do the intro on the end of this segment and I'll cut it and move it to the front. So if you want to do the intro introduce Johnny and it's episode one sixteen so go ahead when you're ready. 12:28.54 alan Um, yeah, yeah, thank you hello out there in archeology podcast land this is your host Dr Alan Garfinkel and we're going to have ah John Yvaldes who's a yeah, prestigious and high-ranking native american affiliated with the ah ute and pueblo people in the american southwest and he's going to talk about his role and his history as biography and the kinds of work. He's doing. To preserve protect and introduce the general public to the sacred sites the significant artifacts and other elements of the special perspective on art and archeology see you soon.