00:00.00 archpodnet 1 saw you all. 00:02.71 alan Good. Thank you welcome back. This is segment 2 of the eighty eighth podcast rock art podcast from the archeology podcast network and we have ah Matt Zubia on board and he is the. Director of the foundation. The educational foundation with the rock art festival out of ridgecrest Matt why don't we ah probe a little deeper drill down and talk about your association with the music elements the entertainment elements. That were available at the last festival would you like to do that. 00:44.74 Matthew Zubia Ah yes, I would so at the last festival as previously stated, we had an all native American talent at the stage prior to that We. We hosted a couple of different acts that were native American. And then the rest of the the acts were you know, local bands that played some type of folk music or rock music. But it wasn't it wasn't in keeping with the spirit and intent of the you know the the festival and that was that was done to fill the stage because we had such a hard time Finding. Native American Talent now I know that there's there's plenty of Native American groups out there that that perform and play music. They just they hadn't We hadn't lined up the right connections to find them? Um, but we did finally. 01:33.69 alan What? What? What? What? What were those right? connections please share that with us because I know how difficult I found it to ah identify and cultivate the proper associations. 01:45.49 Matthew Zubia Well credit to you Dr. Allen you put us in contact with the the ramd dancers from Sui Arizona the have a soup pi people and they were. They were an absolute hit. 01:52.99 alan Yes, that took us to yet but took us 2 years to find up and get them. Yeah yes. 02:01.60 Matthew Zubia Yeah, so you you set the groundwork for that and and that was a huge find for the festival and they were a hit while they were here for the several years we had them so that was that was one of the connections that we had through you and then also working with the. Our promoter Ramon um had helped us land some connections as well with this. Ah, this group called d dad and that name used to stand for defi Delbert Anderson trio 02:30.97 alan Okay. 02:37.22 alan Okay. 02:38.80 Matthew Zubia So they're a a group out of New Mexico and they play some a type of funky poetic you know type music with a stand at bass and a a trumpet and then they have a front man who doesn't sing but he he does he does. 02:45.45 alan O. 02:58.50 Matthew Zubia Um, he wraps and so it's not wrap in in the true sense of the word where you're thinking you know as as rap comes across but it's a rap and it's all based on on their experiences. Ah, with them and they were a hit. They've been. They've been the main. The main act for us for a couple of years and this is a group that's been featured on npryahoosiriusxam etc and Ted talks. So they're they renowned renowned group and they've been able to come out here. 03:20.15 alan Fantastic. 03:26.98 alan Wow. 03:34.49 Matthew Zubia The times we've had them and and perform for us. 03:37.42 alan Well, that's that's certainly a coup I heard them and I really liked them in fact and and I was surprised to find ah you know a fully native American group that was involved in this rather eclectic music. It was. Quite surprising and wonderful. 03:57.13 Matthew Zubia That's correct the other well last year we well two years ago will be before the pandemic in 20202019 we had a young lady who I met who's Navajo. 04:00.40 alan So who? Ah, yeah, who else did you get. 04:14.32 Matthew Zubia And she um she was able to she told me she could sing the national anthem in navajos so I brought her up to the stage I put on the spot and she's sang it and I decided well you know what I don't I haven't been to a festival yet where we have started the festival with the national anthem. Said in 2021, we're gonna do that and and this young lady is gonna sing the meche anthem forest in Navajo and that was a great that was a great hit. 04:37.36 alan Oh Wow Oh oh my word Praise God That's yeah that that makes my heart sing that was that's brilliant I Love it when we and we when we right. 04:52.84 Matthew Zubia And so we you know we started it. We started. Ah. 04:56.78 alan When we when we did the ah field trips when we were allowed to do field trips into little Petroliv Canyon one of the highlights highlights was when I had brought in a native american with me who sang a prayer. Ah. 05:04.40 Matthew Zubia Um, excuse me. 05:14.36 alan In her indigenous language before we traveled into the Canyon and it brought a number of people to tears and it was you could hear a pin drop. It was so remarkable to listen to this woman sing in her native language and about her feelings and her. Ah. 05:15.10 Matthew Zubia Are. 05:34.31 alan You know thoughts and prayers to before we entered the Canyon just remarkable. 05:44.65 alan Please go ahead. 05:46.60 Matthew Zubia And I think that's what that's what that. Yeah, that's what that does to people I looked around. First of all, it was the first time that we presented the national anthem at the festival we opened it with that and to present it in. Ah. 06:02.60 Matthew Zubia In in the Navajo language by in Navajo I think was the was the height of of my time with the festival because this is where we've always wanted to be but as I looked around during the the national anthem that that she was singing people were just they stopped in their tracks. 06:12.67 alan Yes. 06:20.80 Matthew Zubia People were walking by you know and it was a natural Anthem So um, rightfully they they were they were standing but if they were walking by. They stopped to. You know, very interested in in what she was singing. 06:29.22 alan Yeah to to venerate and pay homage to both the National Anthem and an indigenous person singing it in their language is so remarkable as to you know, really be. A very special experience. 06:51.78 Matthew Zubia Right? Yeah, so another. 06:53.18 alan Go ahead, please So who? ah. Please. 07:01.81 Matthew Zubia Other acts we've had at the at the festival. He's a veteran with us. He's been with us for a lot of years Terry Goodell he world renowned hoop dancer and he's been a dedicated. 07:11.60 alan Business. 07:20.37 Matthew Zubia Um, performer of ours for several years and just a quick tidbit about that is that we've had because we're still and a festival an in our infant stages as festivals. Go. We're still learning as we go, you know things logistically and where do we put the stage to get the most people to the stage and. In years past. We had the stage in a position wherere trying to draw people to go see Terry do the hoop dance. It was it was disappointing because we weren't getting the crowd that we needed so we decided the stage placement was very important and we put it in a spot this year where people had to walk by it. 07:46.76 alan Right. 08:00.11 Matthew Zubia And let me tell you Terry was he was ecstatic with the audience participation. He had this this past year because it was the most he's ever had in all the shows he's done for us over the course of the time he's been coming and so. You see that we're still learning where to put things as we go through this planning. 08:18.00 alan That's that's really so yeah, that's really special and that gives sort of an insight into sort of the internal planning and the dynamics of trying to put on a ah festival and to try to get the right people to see and experience. But you're trying to accomplish isn't it. 08:34.50 Matthew Zubia It is it is and credit to all the the people that I'm surrounded with that are are that have the same goal that I do is to put on the best festival we can making sure that we are are you know doing with the most utmost respect to the. 08:49.23 alan Now I think that when I talk to when I when I when I talked to your executive director. She had told me that there's some new ideas that they're actually going to have some sort of a large larger function. 08:52.41 Matthew Zubia People who we are honoring. 09:09.32 alan An Indian Powow of sorts there. Um and that will kind of change everything want it a little bit. 09:16.90 Matthew Zubia It will and you and you you touched on another one of my missions and goals as I you know, learn my way through this festival planning and and and going out and doing the outreach that I could do. And that is I set out to find somebody of of Native American descent that could help or organize a Powwow and so I went on a mission to find somebody and and thankfully I was able to find somebody who agreed to organize a pow. Wow. And so we work close with with this gentleman giving him a lot of ah lot of um I Guess ah freedom to put on the Powwow How he knows how to put it on a very little interaction or or. 10:14.82 Matthew Zubia Interaction from the Petrickwood Festival committee because we don't know how to put on a pat while we leave that to our native American friends to do. 10:24.51 alan So what? Ah so what? What is a Powwow per se. 10:29.47 Matthew Zubia So powow is a ah it's a celebration of of of dance and songs. Ah that are normally played on a so that if you if you been to a pow you can you know see a powow on the internet or or Tv what a powow looks like you've got a head drum. And the head it kind of revolves around the head drum because the head drum is is a drum that sits on the ground or on a stand that the powwow attendees or the powwow um participants will gather around and. Play the drum and sing their sing sing the songs while they while the arena director invites dancers into the arena and then eventually audience participation. So it's a traditional celebration for the native american tribes. 11:20.40 alan And which tribe specifically are going to be participating. Do you know. 11:26.56 Matthew Zubia I Do Yes, currently we have so our our organizer is apache. Um, we'll have pay you. We'll have a jib away and there's a couple more that have not I've not. Gotten word yet but primarily right now there's there's Streeta I know of and the organizer is supposed to get back to me on the other other tribes that are going to be participating in the Powow specifically. 11:56.41 alan Will will there also be vendors that are associated with this Powow ah particular native groups that's are selling perhaps ah jewelry or or other elements of their culture. 12:08.94 Matthew Zubia Absolutely yes, so we have always had native. We have always had native american vendors at the festival participating and because we're having a powow this year the way that a powow works is that if you if you're at a powow that's not associated with a festival. 12:12.50 alan Question. 12:19.28 alan Aha. 12:26.30 alan And. 12:28.43 Matthew Zubia Then you have all you have native American vendors at the Powow So in this case instead of having our native American vendors spread out amongst all our other vendors on the street. They will be associated directly with the Powow So the pow will be powll the exclusive Native American vendors. 12:39.30 alan Right? Oh Wow Yeah well, that'll be exciting I think because you can have ah almost a pure essence of Native American Associations There together couldn't you. 12:53.94 Matthew Zubia That is correct. Yes. 12:58.42 alan Well, what's what's interesting to lend a sort of and a different scholarly background or academic research background to all this and native americans is um I have co-authored a book. Coming out here in the next I don't know six months to a year and it's an academic treatise talking about what we call uto as teans and their their symbolism and specifically going from koso talking about. Also. Hopi in the southwest the we choll in South Texas and then moving into Mexico or Mesoamerica and talking about those of the Aztec. You know the nawaal people so in any event there appears to be a. Ah, thread, genetic thread linguistic thread a connection running from koso in the great basin across to the american southwest into the ah you know South Texas and into Mexico and. 14:11.97 alan That's linguistically but also iconographically when it comes to certain key symbols and this particular new book is a bit of a revolutionary take It's really the first time It's really been developed that we can recognize this connection. So I think that's. That's of of interest and it sort of parallels your work in terms of bringing together a diverse array of native americans am I correct? Yeah well I think that at least ah covers the second segment. 14:40.30 Matthew Zubia Um, yes, that is correct. 14:46.26 Matthew Zubia And but I. 14:51.20 alan And in the third one I think we'll talk about some very specific efforts with the festival and talk about some of the um, the up and cominging things see in the flip flop gang. 15:02.58 Matthew Zubia Okay.