00:00.00 archpodnet Value and. 00:00.13 Matthew Zubia Um. 00:01.20 alan Out there in rock art podcast land or patricklyphs and pictographs such as it is this is Dr Alan Garfinkel with the archaeology podcast network bringing you segment 3 this is the final segment of our third element. We are blessed. And featuring a gentleman by the name of Matthew Zubia who is the director of the of the petrliff foundation and associated with the petrolyph festival in Ridgecrest so Matt I think in this final segment we had talked about. Kind of drilling down and talking about really the heart and soul and purpose of the festival which pays homage and venerates and recognizes the importance of native people. Ah their heritage. 00:59.27 alan And their particular cultural values. Why don't we ah try to kick off some sort of discussion on that subject. 01:09.90 Matthew Zubia Well I think you hit it the nail in the head Allen when you said that you know it's an homage to the native american tribes because that's something that only us who are are involved with this type of event and and these types of. You know traditions really understand the importance and the value that it adds to to what we're doing I had a a gentleman ass. It's part of the big, the big pine piute tos pudble tribe when I reached off to him. They hadn't come down here before and when I reached out to him and and and asked him if he'd be and interested. He was very thankful for including them and bringing this back to them and that made me it made me excited and and also. It. It may be full warm inside that we we're doing the right thing at least we're we're starting to do the right thing. So it's important to native americans that that if we're going to do this then we're going to do it right. 02:19.12 alan And in with that in that Regard. What is it to do it right? And what is it to do it Wrong. What are the um, particular elements or postures or perspectives. That one might have that are considered in alignment with perhaps Native philosophies. How's that. 02:43.45 Matthew Zubia Well, the first thing is that in the isn't important is the outreach that we do to get to as many and many local tribes as possible to kind of enlighten them. On what our goal is and have them steer us in the direction that that is probably a lot more coming from from us who are organizing it us non-native americans that are organizing it to to take us in the right direction I want them to to to. To come with us on this path I don't want to do it without them and so it's important for for us to to recognize that you know early on in the festival days. We got some pretty bad feedback in that it was just another street fair in Ridgecrest yes, there were petoglyph tours. But it just looked like another street fair and and and and that's something you you learn along the way and it's been my goal to not make this street fair and make it what it wasn't set out to be. 03:42.40 alan Right. 03:52.76 alan So The core competency competency and the distinctiveness of the ridgecrest Petrolev Festival is that it celebrates and recognizes and pays homage to native American Heritage and culture and I think that's. A rather special expression. Um, and I think that the the ancient images that are that adorn the immediate landforms in the area. Are quite special. Ah, and also there's probably one of the only examples of what they call Petroglyph Park Um, would you like to mention that or no. 04:44.47 Matthew Zubia Absolutely is so we do have a ah park in Ridge Crest that is called petro petrolyft park where there are replicas that are are that line the park in various areas of of of petrolyphs. 05:02.30 Matthew Zubia and and each year at the festival. We we offer um, our walking tour is yes and with with Dr Allen and Olaf Dowd who was. 05:10.66 alan Walking tours. 05:21.19 Matthew Zubia Ah, is responsible for for making yes for making those yes you that's the word I'm looking for responsible. 05:21.36 alan That's correct responsible for making them. Yeah and and then and this and and this isn't just you know little tiny boulders we're talking about tons and tons and tons. Of stone that were hauled in and erected and engineered and replicate images from all over the world. In fact. 05:45.27 Matthew Zubia Are. 05:50.80 Matthew Zubia Yeah, that's correct and yeah, that's correct credit to to olaf and he will be providing tours again this year and and we look forward to you know, keeping him around as as long as he'll be with us. 05:51.86 alan Ah, so I wasn't go ahead. Please. 06:07.19 alan Putting that together. Yeah exactly um I was shocked to learn. Ah, you know what? what they had to do to put this together and it wasn't easy and he did all the imagery. 06:09.13 Matthew Zubia Yeah, um. 06:23.70 alan And the entire park with one man did did all this Yeah, that's that's unbelievable and once you ah see this, you'll ah you'll get a kick out of it. It's rather important and rather wonderful and the images are. 06:25.94 Matthew Zubia Can you believe that. 06:43.36 alan Often life size meaning they're equivalent to the originals and they're huge. We're talking about these immense rocks which are standing up and representing or replicating the images to be found. Ah, both in the immediate vicinity. But also throughout the world. So anyways, there's that one? Um, what have we forgotten? we've got the we've got the vendors. We got the powwow we got the walking tour I guess there will also be. Um, ah vendors that are selling artwork and books and then of course the Matarano Museum will be open as well as the the new and improved and Brand New Welcome Center to California. Ah, there in Ridge Crest correct 07:42.15 Matthew Zubia Yes, that is correct and last year was actually the grand opening for the visitor center welcome center so california welcome center. Yeah, so it's the California welcome center is well. It's it's its provides. 07:46.44 alan Well, what's a what's a welcome center. Yeah, what is it. 08:02.15 Matthew Zubia Um, area information for for coming people coming through the town as tourists so up and down the Eastern Sierra over as far as the as Death valley. 08:18.91 Matthew Zubia Offering a lot of information on the area. 08:23.67 alan Right? It's got Maps. It's got resources. It's got people who are steeped in the you know the access and the other attractions and how to get there and what you can do. But besides that um, there's. Kind of kind of a bit of info or infotainment actually in the center itself isn't there. 08:47.47 Matthew Zubia There is yeah there is a a virtual reality station where you can take a virtual tour of of death valley and I just learned today that we also have or they also have and will be offering during the festival. Virtual tours of the pettroglyphs. 09:07.36 alan Yes, and that's put together by a world-class expert in virtual reality. He works all over the world and uses this technology to capture threemensionally the. Wonder of certain historic resources. His name is Eric Canson I've had the pleasure of working with him. He's one of our board members for the California Rock Art Foundation and remarkable just remarkable what he's done he was in China and. Did some of that work he was in the arctic circle he was in egypt on the nile he ah gets around and he also did quite a bit of work in Mexico on the peninsula of Baja doing. Ah. Some of his vr virtual reality work for um, the largest prehistoric paintings in the world in the Sierra Day San Francisco and so I think some of that work is available on your vr headsets there. At the welcome center isn't it. Yeah yeah. 10:23.15 Matthew Zubia I believe it is yet I haven't personally experienced vr at that at that location but it's something that they do offer and I think it'll be a hit as the festival comes around now you have to go to the. The welcome center to use them. They won't be deployed to the festival site but they'll be there all day long Saturday and sunday. 10:48.92 alan Yeah, yeah, um, additionally there's um, ah exhibits that talk about various aspects of indian Welles Valley and what goes on there is it there. 11:10.53 Matthew Zubia Um, there is yes. 11:11.45 alan And I know that that one of the things that they showcase there is they use this area this gorgeous area for the backdrop of major motion pictures and also. Commercials and another and you know, ah Mtv like music videos and all kinds of different things. Don't they. 11:40.39 Matthew Zubia Yes, they do and that's one of the things that that Ridge crest is known for people a lot of production companies Use Ridge crest as a backdrop and the surrounding areas like the indio current airport or the Trona pinnacles for their their movie scenes music videos. 11:57.51 alan And the gorgeous landscapes of of Death Valley yeah death valley or indian Welles Valley or going up the eastern skirt of the Sierra Nevadas you've got bishop and you've got the Alabama Hills and all of that and this eastern skirt of the sierras. 11:59.70 Matthew Zubia Um, commercials. Yep. 12:16.99 alan Is one of the ah one of the more remarkable places on Earth I Think for the diversity of vegetation. The amount of cultures that are there the sky the landscape it's ah endlessly engaging as I as I talk about it and so it's a good I think it's a good setting. 12:34.79 Matthew Zubia Um, it is. 12:36.43 alan Setting for the Petrola Festival and I think why don't you give us some of the details as to when the festival is going to be and and where it's going to be located. How's that. 12:47.78 Matthew Zubia Yeah, that's let's get the festival is gonna be. It's gonna be on the fifth and sixth of November it's Saturday and Sunday that is the first week in November and Mark your calendars because it's always the first weekend in november. 12:57.58 alan That's the that's that's the that's the first weekend in November isn't it. 13:06.38 alan And exactly where' exactly where in where yeah, please exactly where in ridgerest is it going to be yeed. 13:07.60 Matthew Zubia Ah, the festival is gonna be located yep in sure in ridgerest on on last floors avenue between the Mataango Museum and Leewood Jackson Park and lost ah lost floors avenue you can get right off the chile boulard and and and head east they'll see the signs you'll see all the action happening. It's 10 to 6 on Saturday the fifth and ten to 4 on sunday the sixth. 13:42.33 alan Is there anything happening in the evenings. 13:46.14 Matthew Zubia Know the festival will go through go until 6 and it'll be over on Saturday at six p m there's nothing else in the evenings. 13:53.53 alan Okay, and what can one do at the festival. 14:02.51 Matthew Zubia So the so this year the biggest straw we hope is going to be the Powow which we're trying to incorporate into the festival. We don't want to but we're not promoting them as 2 separate events the powows organized by Pete White horse the festivals produced by. Ah. 14:05.68 alan Okay. 14:13.28 alan Got you. 14:19.96 Matthew Zubia You know the the festival committee and so there are going to be food vendors. There'll be retail vendors. There's going to be a so stage where we're going to have all native american performers throughout the day. And the the main the main group on the stage for Saturday is going to be the blue mountain tribe. They're a from to hatchepe and they're a Blues Rock band who play original tunes and and all 4 members are native americans. And they have a big following so we hope to attract their their followers to rich chris for their performance. That's the blue mountain tried frommp to hatchepe. 15:09.17 alan Fantastic. Are they ah are they local to the dehache be area or do they come from other particular ethnic groups. Do you know. 15:18.41 Matthew Zubia So the the the different groups that they're from. There's chirokawa apache yokuts and Cherokee in in that group. 15:34.43 alan So it it does have a diverse assemblage of ethnic groups that represented with that particular music music group. This doesn't it. Well, you know we used. We've used up most of most of our third segment is there ah any sort of segue or message. 15:43.91 Matthew Zubia That's correct you yep. 15:50.69 alan That that should be a key takeaway from your time together with us Professor zoubia. 15:58.77 Matthew Zubia Ah, the key takeaway is that is to understand what the petrick life Education Foundation is and why we we put the festival on and why we celebrate the the Native American heritage. 16:16.48 Matthew Zubia Ah, here in Ridge Crist during the festival. So it's important to know that we we do have the we understand the sensitivities. We know what our mission is what our goal is and that is to continue the outreach with the local. Native americans and throughout they want to participate in this festival. 16:43.75 alan Well, that's wonderful I think that's ah, eminently defensible and and valuable and especially in this time of contrast to bring people together in a um loving and. Positive interaction is a huge blessing and my hat's off to you Matthew god bless and see you see all your listeners on the next go round see in the flip flop gang see you next week. God bless. 17:05.71 Matthew Zubia Um, thank you.