00:00.00 archpodnet Welcome back to the third and final segment of the rock art podcast episode 92 and this is Chris websher here with Dr Alan garffinkel and we're talking about the Ridge Crest petrolyph festival 2022 so we've talked about what you did there. Some of the things you saw there. But what are some of your just like. Absolute highlights. It's only just a few days ago as we're talking about this so what kind of high are you coming down from as far as some of the things that really stuck out to you and and maybe your takeaways associated with that. 00:26.00 alan Um, so. 00:32.11 alan Um I like to talk I like to talk I like to write a elective research and um I think I like to teach but I teach in ah in sort of a unusual way I've I've had gigs at universities and. 00:38.84 archpodnet M. 00:49.26 alan Taught there but it's different teaching out in the open teaching to the rocks teaching to people what they can see and touch and taste and feel and so when I do that and have done that it's elevating. It's um, how do you put this. 00:54.34 archpodnet Oh. 01:08.85 alan I call it the coso glow but you get you get this feeling that you've reached out and informed people and entertained them and educated them at the same time and they go away feeling happy and that's. 01:11.49 archpodnet Um. 01:24.44 archpodnet Nice. 01:27.46 alan That's what that's what makes me happy as well. And it's really nice Plus I'm outside walking around getting some exercise and getting some sun and um I love it. It's just great. So it's a great. It's a great experience. 01:34.37 archpodnet Ah. 01:39.44 archpodnet and and rich Chris isn't too bad at the beginning of November as far as temperature. 01:47.40 alan We had. We had a we had perfect weather. It was like 67 68 no wind, beautiful sky. Just gorgeous. Um, there's a cloud bank over the eastern skirt of the sierras just buffeted there just sitting there all those puffy white. 01:48.46 archpodnet Nice. 01:54.24 archpodnet Yeah. 02:03.15 archpodnet Ah. 02:06.57 alan Cumulus clouds sitting there on top of Owen's peak and the eastern skit of the sierras. Um, and in Wells Valley is one of the more remarkable places that I've experienced and people come from all over the world for a variety of reasons. 1 thing is they have different kinds of clouds. 02:09.60 archpodnet Ah. 02:19.17 archpodnet Yeah. 02:26.22 alan Than they have anywhere else in the world because they they have that they have that where the where the wind stops and gets sheltered because it hits that eastern so that that Sierra and then it blows out and it creates these really stringer clouds that are very different. 02:29.60 archpodnet Um. 02:36.80 archpodnet Ah. 02:45.73 archpodnet Print. 02:46.13 alan And so ah, didn't have any of them. But it's ah I did talk a ah bit about the geography the linguistic prehistory the archeology the ethnology and all the various mechanics of doing it Plus what's really nice is I can point. 02:59.29 archpodnet Aha. 03:04.20 alan To the sierras and go there's where the pin the pin ah base camps are there's where the opinion storage caches are that's where they droped me in a helicopter many years ago and I had to walk along the Pacific Crest trail before it was built and and that's. 03:17.82 archpodnet Nice, nice. 03:23.23 alan And that's rather fun. Don't you think you know it it tells a story and it it gives people a tremendous insider connection to kind of my my life way. How's that. 03:25.14 archpodnet Yeah. 03:34.68 archpodnet You know as an aside, you're talking about the clouds and you know the uniqueness of of some of the Cloud formations and things like that it made me think something I've thought about a lot of times in the past and I'd love to see a series of books someday or even chapters in a single book where you know. 03:42.77 alan Yeah. 03:53.75 archpodnet If it were chapters in a single book like 1 chapter would just be weather. The other chapter would be um, you know animals another chapter would be ceremony stuff like that but highlighting rock art either in a region that's abundant with rock art like this area here or even just rock art around the world and like the rock art of weather. You know what? I mean like how are. 04:06.74 alan Yet. Yes, oh that's that's fantastic. What it would have what have what a fantastic idea. Thematically you had this this series of of images and stories based on you know. 04:13.90 archpodnet Clouds and rain and stuff like that represented by different groups around the world I think that'd be fascinating. Yeah. 04:24.78 archpodnet Yeah. 04:31.16 alan Certain certain phenomenon certain subject matter. Yeah um I talked a lot about I talked a lot about rained I talked a lot about big orange Ape and about gender and about increase rights and all the ah all the above. Um, and. 04:35.20 archpodnet Um, yeah. 04:44.53 archpodnet Right? nice. 04:51.29 alan I think it surprised people they um I just don't think they they really had an ah appreciation or understanding before we did these kinds of tours of what the subject matter is and how interesting and connected it is. This deeply religious phenomenon. How's that yeah and and they got it now in now in the future. Yeah, and I think that's important now in the future. This California welcome center. 05:11.83 archpodnet Yeah, absolutely well right? And that's really cool. Yeah. 05:29.41 alan Has invited us to sort of set up some sort of a program where we could provide lectures or have people attend these presentations on some sort of a you know a function where you'd get academics or. Those who are interested to assemble and have a bit of a conference so we haven't put it together yet. But I think that would be another piece of the puzzle because people if they wanted to step into and learn a bit more they could simply attend. 05:49.35 archpodnet Um. 06:07.40 alan You know one of these papers or whatever and here what some of the Academicians have to stay and what their discoveries have been vis-a-vis the science of it all So that's ah, another potential piece that could be very valuable. 06:14.00 archpodnet Um. 06:19.30 archpodnet Um, yeah. 06:25.97 alan And the whole exercise. 06:26.29 archpodnet Well, speaking of the welcome center we had Eric Hanson on from Blue Planet Vr again a few episodes ago and we had him on a long time ago really kind of leading up to a lot of the stuff. He's been doing but he was talking about. Well first off, he's talking about some of the stuff they've got going on at that welcome center. But also I just want to mention make a mention real quick when we were done recording that episode. He mentioned the blue planet vr um app that is on the oculus quest two system which I have and I use almost daily for work and other things and I downloaded the blue planet vr app and it is a really cool way to just. See these areas around the world in very very good detail. It's never going to be you know in this day and age it's not as good as like like being there but it's like 90% as good as being there and it's just if you can't actually get to some of these places and he's got you know imagery from I mean literally around the world inside of this application and it is really cool. And it's really neat because I don't know if they you know for the wacom center stuff that they've got going on I don't know if they've had a chance to actually capture um like little petrogof canyon or something like that. But with its remoteness and the fact that it's on a ultra secure naval installation. It's just like really hard to get there. Just from that reasons alone it would be nice to have you know that as ah as a as a thing you could explore through this through this medium and and thinking along those lines. What are some things you think the petrala festival could do in the future to. 07:58.47 archpodnet Really enhance the user experience from onsite people that actually show up but then maybe year round festivities related to stuff like virtual reality. 08:06.59 alan Um, let me take a break from himrricane. 08:18.77 archpodnet I'll let you know okay go ahead. 08:19.36 alan Yeah, okay yeah I think in the future. What I'd like to do is is to participate more actively. Ah I've been ah involved actively mainly in trying to acquire. 08:27.79 archpodnet Just. 08:35.65 alan Entertainment or content from Native Americans who are ethnically affiliated with the region and that's been ah that's been an enormous challenge by the way. So but they've gotten them. They have gotten them and so finally. 08:40.63 archpodnet Oh okay. 08:53.12 alan There is that you know that overarching connection where you've got the regional people but you also have the broader Native American element as well. They also have you know now entertainment. They've got native American bands literally that are indigenous exclusively and then they've got um hoop dancers and. 09:03.23 archpodnet Ah. 09:12.50 alan And other people that sing or lecture or or um tell stories things along those lines so they're getting sort of a ah repertoire a a variety of Native American entertainers. 09:17.37 archpodnet Oh. 09:30.59 alan They also open the the function with a woman who then sings the National Anthem in the indigenous language which is quite amazing I think. 09:31.28 archpodnet Um. 09:47.49 archpodnet Um, Wow Yeah, that's an interesting take. 09:49.85 alan Yeah, so it's either a Nava Nava Nava Navajo or a pi shoshone or whoever and they're typically recognized and they won an award or somehow they're they're there in their particular indigenous regalia and it's. 10:04.10 archpodnet Sure. 10:07.52 alan It's and it's it's breathtaking and people are really interested in this and they're there and in numbers now wanting to experience this and recognize the beauty and the awe and the and the exotic nature of hearing this language that. 10:15.60 archpodnet Ah. 10:24.30 alan Exists for thousands of years yep yep yep, yep yep yep set that that's all I got to say. 10:28.27 archpodnet That's awesome I I really like it that's really cool ah all right? Well are well that. That sounds good and it's really cool that you were able to again participate in this year after year and and increasing your you know your your touch on it so to speak and it's just ah, it's really neat to get that firsthand experience from somebody who has is so close to the festival itself. So. You know if you happen to go if you're listening to this podcast and you happen to go to the ridgequest ridgerest Patrick Cliff festival send us an email you can send it to Chris at Archeologypodcastnetwork.com um, Dr. Garfinkel's contact info is in the show notes. So just look down at your device and you can hit it right there the email and send him and ah send him a message but it will be cool to know it. Your take on it as audience members and interested people in Rock Artt or maybe even academics. Whomever may be listening to this and see what your experiences were at the ridgecrest Petra Glyph festival 2022 so yeah I think with that we will call an end to the episode Dr Gold anything sorry Dr Garfinal anything final to say on this. 11:33.18 alan Well I'll see all my followers on the flip flop and guess that' be episode 93 am I correct yep yep yep yep as my lovely lovely I suppose so tells me. 11:45.00 archpodnet Yep yep, all right. 11:52.25 alan God Bless you out there in archaeology Podcast land. Thanks see on the flip-flop.