00:00.54 archpodnet Welcome to episode 1 24 of a life in ruins podcast where we sometimes discuss the careers of those living a life in ruins I think I'm Connor I think this is okay okay okay I think this is David here Carlton is ah currently. 00:10.43 Jesus of Nayarit You are. 00:18.98 archpodnet Still in the Throes of academia and trying to figure out. Um where his office is ah how to access stuff. 00:30.93 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, that I am I'm in a house in Laramie Wyoming I am not in the bus right now currently um, Connor where are you. 00:37.97 archpodnet I am finally back in the greatest state in the Union Washington the oh come up. Yeah like wet mild mild temperatures has. 00:42.95 Jesus of Nayarit Kit Ben was it was it wet there. 00:54.93 Jesus of Nayarit See here's the thing everyone out west is like my ancestors treked all the way out here and like they're so brave and we're so strong. We're individualistic fuck you we're out here wait this isn't my podcast. This is ah this is ruins. All right hang on hang on a gun still though everyone out here is like so heads strongng and individualistic and they think their way's the best cuoo my grandpa went here on the oregon trail and ah, ah, but but yeah, you know what? you did you also caused some manifest destinly along the way. Maybe some smallpox maybe some dysentery people in New York have a better. We got pizza and bagels what up. 01:32.45 archpodnet Yeah, and you didn't you didn't commit any manifest destiny or anything over there. Do that's where they developed diet coke for sure. The Dc. 01:36.15 Jesus of Nayarit We stayed in the tristate area age and buy a coke and that's it for 200 years 01:47.66 Jesus of Nayarit The Dc keeping it classy um, have you watched them the the rings of power yet connor. 01:55.39 archpodnet Ah, no no I haven't David so I don't know why you're asking me I really I really don't. 02:03.70 Jesus of Nayarit I'm genuinely upset I'm looking at right now at the lord of the rings the book of lost tales the children of herein the baron and Luthan and also the fall of gondolin so those are books. 02:13.59 archpodnet Does it. Do they did they just like trash All that is that why you're looking at them. Are you for? Okay, so it's has it been accurate to lore so far. 02:17.24 Jesus of Nayarit So they don't have the rights to the still Meriian but they have the rights to everything else and I think they have the book of lost tales as well. Yeah. 02:31.61 Jesus of Nayarit Um, the only thing weird I have noticed is we don't see Galadriel's husband and she was married in the first age. Maybe he just hasn't shown up yet but she seems to be a little that's kellib brimbore. Um, he's the ship guy. He also has one of the rings. 02:39.86 archpodnet Isn't that that this ship guy. Okay. 02:48.31 Jesus of Nayarit Um, think he has the water ring gandalf house the fire. No she has the water ring can remember her ah car I can't remember his name but yes, that's the husband you can probably Google that up caibbra boards the the ferryman. Yeah. 03:00.40 archpodnet Yeah, Okay, okay, yeah, it's it's sirruin zeroin. 03:06.95 Jesus of Nayarit So no wait Kela brim boards. Her husband sirdan is the the Boatman right? His keib bri board sounds like to know because Kiran sounds like kran the guy for the greek one. Yeah, that's yeah, but let me. 03:11.79 archpodnet Okay, that's what it was Okay, yeah like I couldn't remember. 03:20.38 archpodnet Oh okay, that checks out. 03:25.76 Jesus of Nayarit I'll start you off here. So it began with the forging of the great wings. Um through great wings began with the forging of the great wings 3 were given to the elves immortal wisest and fairest of all beings 7 to the dwarf wards. Great crafts and miners of the mountain halls listen I'm trying to do this for memory. 03:30.50 archpodnet Wings. 03:38.93 archpodnet Words. 03:45.74 Jesus of Nayarit Wars I dwarves and Nine nine rings were gift to the race of men who above all else desire a power for within these rings was bound the strength and will to govern each race. 03:50.44 archpodnet Power. 03:59.26 Jesus of Nayarit So but they were all of them deceived for another ring was made in the land of mordor and the fires of mount doom dark saron now we stood up this dark world. So Ford's the mastering ah in secret to mastering to control all others. 04:06.57 archpodnet The dark lords are on. 04:15.95 Jesus of Nayarit Ninivvis ring. He poured his cruelty his malice and his will to dominate all life all right I'll I'll end that Chris maybe throws some music on that be kind of cool. Um I've watched that movie far too many times but we should talk about let's talk about the archaeology lord of the rings. There's none continue. 04:27.30 archpodnet 3 times. 04:35.36 Jesus of Nayarit I guess there is there's like there's thatch like the the the argonath like and and I'm unsoon. Um, there's people squatting mainly the the dark, the dark armies are squatting in like the you know fallen cities of Arn or and gondor. But. 04:37.69 archpodnet Yeah, there's some. There's some historical stuff there. Yeah. 04:52.90 archpodnet Aren't aren't there like the hobbit squatting to like technically. 04:56.83 Jesus of Nayarit Um, well here we can get into some phrenology. Um, so there's in and the and then in the new series we have Harfoots which are a type of halfling and then there's the stool stores Har Harpeds The harfoots. 05:06.66 archpodnet Hard feet. 05:13.95 Jesus of Nayarit And and I think the stores are the stools I can't remember the stes are what golem is like their fishermen. They live like along the endin and then I forget what the other ones are that live up in the north in the kingdom of arnor and that's what the main hobbits of the shire are mixed with harfoots. 05:23.70 archpodnet Um. 05:31.90 archpodnet Okay. 05:33.73 Jesus of Nayarit Um, yeah, so not phrenology more just biological anthropology. But yeah I just keep people on their toes. Um. 05:39.96 archpodnet I like how you preface it with phrenology though I mean that's that's the good good. Um, we should preface this and let everyone know that we are still recording this podcast. We've had like a crazy couple months David is David has been in the field. 05:52.93 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, yeah. 05:57.96 archpodnet Carlton has been moving across country and I was in Hawaii for a little bit and we actually all get got to see each other this weekend at Alexander Craib's wedding which was awesome. Yeah, they're annoying. 06:10.41 Jesus of Nayarit Episode something. He's on 2 of them. Don't listen to him. Um, hey. 06:16.78 archpodnet Just kidding. We love you crave? Um, so he yeah you're you're in his house right now. 06:16.90 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah I know I may have eaten a bag of funions or 2 I'll I'll give the little the little Launchbox spot bags of them. You know I bought some more. 06:30.77 archpodnet Okay, is there a bottle of beer in there. 06:34.47 Jesus of Nayarit A bottle in Craves house with there's probably several. Oh I don't know I haven't seen one I don't really look for beer. 06:39.56 archpodnet Or like a big old bottle. Okay, that's guy we brand thought Um, but we're gonna have more content coming out here soon. Lots more research more guess more fun. More. Terrible jokes. Um, we just need a little bit of a reset. So. 07:01.67 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, ah sorry for all the reruns. It's just it's it's a lot of work to do this? Um as but the main work being planning and like finding out when we're all going to be in the same spot together to do it and then do we have wi-fi um, do we have a guest. It's a lot so we're really sorry. But do shoot us some messages with like what episodes you guys would like to hear or shoot us an email but we we have some good ones planned are gonna have Shane and Jesse back on here soon and Dr Pelton the state archeologist Wyoming. 07:31.25 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, oh so my yeah, so my big question was because we everyone just listened to settlers root of sarudi the last one we just released or they didn't and ignored it. Whatever ah. My big question. My only thought that I've had in the last like two weeks is how do we deal with new discoveries without being a bunch of dicks. 08:01.49 Jesus of Nayarit Put him in a shoe box bury him. Um I did that I wrapped them in toilet paper then buried him in a shoebox like a mummy except my parents didn't get me g Joe is I got max steels. 08:04.34 archpodnet Um, is that that you do like your Gi Joes I don't. 08:16.10 archpodnet So like that the to the true value. Great value. That's like okay. 08:18.70 Jesus of Nayarit Like it the all brand one. Yeah great value, great value through values. The hardware story. Yes you in spirit you got it right? Um yes so I do notice I want to have taughtdd on the talk about this but that's time for another. That's success of another day. However I talked with him and Bob this summer sitting in the field when that new paper came out my first instinct as soon as I see a headline that's like archaeologists are wrong or like push the date back or farther than we ever thought it's just clickbait and that clickbait agitates me because when you actually read the paper. Actually just talked to Stefan about this yesterday. It's horseshit like they're like Bob Fer okay so Bob pointed out some things Todd point out some things I'll go as to the todd one I was like this. There's no lithics in this paper and Todd was like let me look at that and he like zooms in and like on my phone looking at it. He's like okay these are lithics. But they're not lithics and then he is like explaining if you look at all of the the graphs and the charts they use. They have all these fancy like algorithms and charts and graphs and like visuals for you to look at it all for you to say like if you kneel down and squint and bend over you can kind of see a platform on this flake. Whereas like any clovis paper you don't need that because there's like actual tool industry everywhere and there's actual stratigraphy and there's actual everything and I talked about this with Bob and i't remember if it was me or him that said it but we came to the same conclusion either way just but different words homo erectus gets all the way to. 09:54.44 Jesus of Nayarit Australia using bifacial tool technology right? We've been using tools for about 3000000 years good tools for about a million homework just gets all the way there. We get to China we get to Siberia with them. We get all the way there. There's even like paleolithic points and things in ba harpoons and stuff up in Siberia about the time of the Americas. Being populated now. Do you mean to tell me that from a million years ago homo erectus using bifacial tool technology people walking to the Americas in the the pleistoce height of the pleistocene freezing cold where you need bone needles you need stone tools. You need wood tools. You need everything to to exist. You need a microclimate on your body. You need to have protein you need to have vegetation. You have to get all these things did people just forget how to make stone tools until clovis I don't understand and like the cirruti site. It's like can they bash some elephants with ah like with a rock that's it. You need a lot more than that to butcher a mammoth unless you're just biting it yourself and walking away which is a lot of calorie expenditure to just take a fucking sorry Chris no even in I'm ah I'm on of um own box here to just take a bite off of a mammoth like it's it's bullshit. None of these things and like. 11:01.23 archpodnet Um. 11:12.30 Jesus of Nayarit Stefan and I were just talking yesterday. We should have him on he was like there's never a smoking gun and this is me and step in talking whereas a few months ago he was very convinced of white sands. He was like yeah people have been here and now he's like you know what again I don't know because none of these papers make sense. I'm off my soapbox. How do I not get mad at it I don't know xanax. 11:30.24 archpodnet My. so so I think I think the clovis stuff is different because you know that I think is something that we've beaten. We've beaten to a devop. So but if we like talk about something different. So my friend was just talking to me yesterday and he said that there's this new paper that came out on. A new Dna analysis of someone found in Indonesia and and it kind of. 11:53.24 Jesus of Nayarit So I just wanted that whole tirade about we don't need to talk with that I'm so sorry. Okay. 11:59.11 archpodnet No, no, no let no, that's that's a great question I'm ah I'm just trying to approach it with a different example because we've beaten that one to dead horse like pre clovis you know our thoughts we were very clear on that. But my reaction yesterday so I was at I was at a bar drinking as as one does. 12:04.92 Jesus of Nayarit Sure. 12:16.50 archpodnet Um, and my buddies like hey there's this new paper that came out that says like there's a previously unfound species of human in Australia have you heard about it and my first reaction is always something like that being like it's it's bullshit. 12:35.80 archpodnet It's bullshit I mean that's but that's not a good scientific reaction to have every single time something comes out that is contrary to what we know currently so how do we? How do we have that conversation and how do we accept new data and how do we learn about new things. Without immediately just like having that first like oh fuck or oh man like here we go again. Sort of reaction. Yeah I I'm just not sure how that how to approach that because I would like immediate was like it's that's Bs like what. 13:01.98 Jesus of Nayarit If. 13:07.89 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, and what we talked about this with Shane and Jesse I think with white sands. It's like and I even played Devil's advocates saying like what if it is real like my first instinct is when I read those headlines I get agitated because I don't get agitated at the possibility of something being different I get agitated. That the media puts these things on there that make us look at like idiots and it's like we're wrong about pre history. There's one little paper that has shitty flakes in that make every archaeologist who's worked their whole life wrong. No absolutely not and it's honestly like. Kind of a travis tra travesty tragedy that like the media just does that and like people just disregard science because of that because of 1 click they headline. So the headline upsets me when I open up the paper and I read it. I'm actually pretty calm because I'm like let me read this and like with the new one we were reading the other day. In the New Mexico one it was like this is this is shit this is nothing in here like where's where's the stone tools you know I don't know and with the adna stuff that shit changes so much. It's like I can't even keep up with it. There's a new dog one every day and it's like well like. Ah, trust Angela obviously because we're like in the same kind of network where like I I know her work she does ox but she does like top tiered genetic stuff. She says twenty Thousand years ago in Siberia but other papers come out like every week that are like dogs and wolves have common ancestors of a hundred thousand years ago we we were wrong about dog most occasion. 14:36.80 Jesus of Nayarit Ah, new one comes out every day like it's f freaking popcorn which one do you buy and what is the definition of dog and wolf in those papers and that's a whole other thing we can get into but I guess I'm I'm I'm getting hot I'm get fired up. 14:49.54 archpodnet Yeah, you cannot and I can feel it but but like so it's the it's the media's depiction of it that is really what sets us off and then it really puts me in like that sour mood where you're like I'm not. 15:02.29 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, and then you read the comments on Reddit and you're like what the like these people believe this. 15:10.95 archpodnet Yeah, just just for everyone out there. The archeology subredit on on Reddit is ah yeah, it's actual. It's actual cancer don't ah, there's although someone did recommend us in 1 of those posts are like what is a good archeology podcast. 15:17.52 Jesus of Nayarit It's leukemia. 15:28.58 archpodnet Like oh a life in ruins those guys really suck and they never know what they're talking about. 15:32.82 Jesus of Nayarit Okay, so it's leukemia and remission but I shouldn't make cancer jokes I was I was kicked out of an Improv club for that. Um, yes, but it's not. It's not that cancerous. 15:35.31 archpodnet Ah, um. 15:46.46 Jesus of Nayarit There are good people on there but it's like the general public will comment things and I literally saw a paper that said the clovis window was like 700 years max and somebody commented like middle finger emojis saying fuck you clovis and it's like I had to comment and I was like what. 16:01.75 archpodnet What. 16:03.73 Jesus of Nayarit Like I too belittle ancient civilizations that didn't yeah that had nothing to do with me. You know I can't remember what it was and it like got super up voted because like the guy was just out of line and it's like people get so passionate like I am right now against Clovis that it's also a cult and like those people they. 16:19.37 archpodnet Oh yeah. 16:21.95 Jesus of Nayarit Read stuff online and like they're like told Clovis is stupid because archaeologists think it's real and like I don't know that's an example. 16:26.30 archpodnet Well, they then it's like the the thing that they assume unlike those things is that pre clovis is is us accepted and basically there that's like all I hear is like well we've known for 50 years that Pre Clovis was a thing and you're like no no, we're we're. We're still not We're still fully convinced. 16:45.59 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, and then there's the whole right now too like this is a tough one and Carlton and you and I talked about this the other day. A lot of people will comment on my posts when I do preclobist stuff saying like well yeah, indigenous americans have been saying this for centuries like and you guys disregarded it. And it's like okay well when you say indigenous americans do you mean every single nation on the continent or just the one that you're specifically cherry picking that says they were here forever because like you're lumping them in as a monolith when you say that and like do I need to go through every single indigenous myth to find out which one aligns with White Sands no it's like yes we should believe indigenous mythologies but also like there is some science that like kind of backs some stuff up and some that kind of doesn't um and like not every mythology says they've been here forever and like there's even one I think Carltonmason the pawny like. Was pony can't remember 1 of them says it began with ice. Um, which is cool like you know, um, but it's it's those comments sorry that like get me like grind my gears because like people want to be like you know, support indigenous like mythology and belief and like they feel like. 17:46.19 archpodnet Yeah, it's it. 18:02.92 Jesus of Nayarit They're getting points for that when they say that on the internet but they also have no idea what the scientific repercussions of that are and like that kind of I don't know puts me in a spot. 18:11.64 archpodnet Yeah, absolutely and it's we Yeah, we're we're always trying to rectify and work with communities of knowledge and the archeological record but we try to do that in a way that's not just one way traffic. You know we want to. We want to. 18:28.74 Jesus of Nayarit Ah. 18:30.15 archpodnet Take evidence from both sides and and and work with it together. So please don't comment that on David stuff. Um, we'll be right back. This is episode 1 24 of a life and ruins podcast. 18:39.80 Jesus of Nayarit Kind of whatever you want, but just don't tag Connor. 18:46.25 archpodnet Don't.