00:00.00 archpodnet And welcome back to episode one thirty in archeology middle earth here on the life runse podcast just for clarification minnas morglell was named minnace ethhel and was the home to a seal door prior to sauron taken over the joint renaming it minus margal. And it appears in return to the king and it's basic. It's like the citadel for um, oh who's the big badty nasal which king which king and magmar. Yep so that's his his place. So. 00:27.55 Jesus of Nayarit The witch king of amar yeah, which I believe they're theorizing the guy that's with Galadriel and new meno right now in the series is the witch king of amar if not sour on himself. Yeah. 00:41.87 archpodnet Really because there's only we only know the name of one Nas school the easterling. We don't know the identities of the other 8 00:50.26 Jesus of Nayarit Um, oh right? I just saw a thing on this day of the day I can't remember his name. Um, but yeah sauron turns into his fair form and kind of like I think this is what Lucifer does but he like. He's a handsome charming guy kind of like rest. We're not resuten was not a handsome charming guy. But I guess he was charming. Um, which that was closer to worm tongue in the other movie but sauron. 01:09.98 archpodnet No, it was not. It was a drunk Russian who liked it fornicate a lot. 01:24.35 archpodnet Your audio completely cut out. You need to check your cables man. Yeah I think what I think you might have some setting on there that if you're not talking loud enough. It does just cuts it out. 01:42.21 Jesus of Nayarit Um, that just can't be because the sound buys going on. My little thing can you hear me now. Okay. 01:44.34 archpodnet Now it is yeah I can that's weird. 01:55.40 Jesus of Nayarit You know what it is. My wife is choppy. So it's probably that for you. 01:56.70 archpodnet What? Oh okay so we're okay so then we aren't getting you. Okay, no worries all right? Let's reset and go. 02:11.62 Jesus of Nayarit Um, ah yeah, so that's the downfall of Nu Meno but um, yeah I something I was thinking about over the the interim here is like when they leave the lot glory in the fellowship and they go to the ruins of um and hen like they literally called the ruins of O and head which was another. 02:28.76 Jesus of Nayarit Part of the gondorrian kingdom in the past and like they look upon the argonath and reason longer than design inmate. There's the 2 people. 02:38.57 archpodnet You're super quiet again man. 02:41.10 Jesus of Nayarit Um, what about now I haven't changed any settings weird. Okay can you hear me now. Okay later and me make sure the settings are are the. 02:43.50 archpodnet Now you're good. That's. 02:59.10 archpodnet That's really loud there. Yeah now it's super loud. Yeah, but keep it leave it. 03:02.18 Jesus of Nayarit Right here? Yeah, it's it's a matter of tournament from Nine Nine Point nine to 10 but by now. Okay, um, let's see runs a bomb and hen. 03:11.17 archpodnet That's good. 03:19.34 Jesus of Nayarit Ah, yes, so when they leave in the lab and they go to arm and hen and they take kit. Can you hear. 03:24.58 archpodnet Yeah I could hear you like super well like the whole sound bar is just like like great. There's no way this thing is so weird. Still yeah, that's good. Yeah, it's still fixed. It's it's blown. 03:33.10 Jesus of Nayarit What about now can is it brought on the phone or is it good. What about now. Okay, so yes, they leave the lot laurean the fellowship and they go to the ruins of Amman hen and aorn says to I think it's Frodo and he's like look long have I desired to look upon the kings of old going down the enddoan river. 03:44.31 archpodnet Ah, comes in and then out there we go. Okay. 04:03.40 Jesus of Nayarit And um, they yeah I think it's the Anddoin River Yeah, it's the end one um and they go and you look at this and then you get to the ruins of ammanhen where borair dies and they get attacked by the urus or the uruk high and like there's just old statues and it's like an old deserted Kingdom. Um, and like I always thought that was super cool in the fellowship because the lord of the rings in the hobbit came out before the film Meelian like long before so like there was a sense of like age and antiquity to middleear too that was like super fascinating. Um, and now I'm an archeologist. So I Guess there. 04:29.24 archpodnet And here. 04:39.66 Jesus of Nayarit There was cool archeology in it. 04:42.86 archpodnet I Never really understood the like the actual trail that they all took until like actually looking at a ah map and realizing like how exactly where the fellowship went and so like. Those ruins that you're talking about um where borrair is Killed. Um, but what's the orcsnet or high's name. 05:10.21 Jesus of Nayarit He's added into the movie just to be like an antagonist but his name is lurtz. Yeah. 05:13.31 archpodnet Ah, Ban alerts That's right I can't remember what's the history of that place. Yeah. 05:21.21 Jesus of Nayarit Amman hen um, well like most places in athiian or like gondor. It's like um I think it was just like part of the kingdoms of arnor and Gondor like a smaller kingdom. We look it up ammon hen. 05:38.71 Jesus of Nayarit Um, the Emmen Muil let's see so um, early days of gondor. Ah yeah, so it's just part of gondor. Um. 05:41.30 archpodnet Um. 05:54.28 archpodnet No. 05:58.20 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, it's just like another area kind of like osgiliath or something like that. Yeah. 06:01.42 archpodnet Got you because like in the the war in the second age I mean like Sauron got all the way to arnor like went super west with his guys and like pillaged the whole whole joint. 06:14.60 Jesus of Nayarit Man. 06:18.68 archpodnet Like the the history that's provided in some reallyian and some of the extra stuff is just crazy the amount of like background just world building that JRTolkien did is is just crazy. 06:33.12 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, you set the president for like what fantasy has to be um, pretty crazy. 06:35.60 archpodnet Because even if you look at games like Skyrim there's like over 300 something books within skyrim like just for world. 06:44.39 Jesus of Nayarit Oh right? like that you find in the books in the game. Yeah. 06:49.20 archpodnet Yeah, like just for world building purposes that you don't actually have to read or do anything with or help you at all. 06:55.11 Jesus of Nayarit Right? And there's a orcs and there's dragons and giants and things like that. Yeah, um, yeah, but like he loved like he started the the series because of languages like he wanted to make languages. He was a linguist he translated beowulf as his like dissertation. 06:59.66 archpodnet Um. 07:10.41 archpodnet Oh. 07:12.39 Jesus of Nayarit Um, and like I think elvish is based off of finnish. Um, and yeah and like the the breadth of the world in that sense is like incredible with all the different languages and then the histories. But also like the maps like I have 2 books that are like maps of Middle Earth and like I'm sure there's a Gis like database somewhere of like different layers and stuff of middle earth. But yeah, you can trace like the fellowship and things like that. But the like I don't know. The antiquity of it is insane because you can look at the maps and like technically a middle earth like we live in the fourth age of Middle Earth so like that' somewhere I think the shire is supposed to be like England which would make mordor the Middle East which is kind of rough but um. 08:03.25 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, it's like and then there's Bellyrian which sank and then like there was a valanor but the the God sunk it So thererefore no one could get to the undying lands. Um, this is in the end of the first age I think. 08:13.60 archpodnet Step. 08:20.15 archpodnet It's whenever Numero falls because Sauron gets captured when the numanors invade he's a prisoner but like within a couple short years becomes like the advisor to the king of numenor poisons his mind and basically convinces the newmanorians to invade the undying lands and that's when like. 08:33.43 Jesus of Nayarit Um, that's it E and louar. 08:38.18 archpodnet Basically God who's his name I think a lovaar basically says no no and like orders a tsunami that wipes out the nuumorph fleet Destroysne Meno and El Seoor his father and brother and the true P Newmenorians are able to. Ah, steal a seed of the white tree of New Meno which becomes the white tree of um, ah, minnace ethhel and when that gets burned down. They'd able to save a seed again and then plant it and minist here. It. Um. 09:01.77 Jesus of Nayarit Gondor. 09:08.91 Jesus of Nayarit Oh right? right? right? I don't even think I even obviously I read that fact, but that just wasn't even in my head good call. Yeah, it's been two thousand and thirteen fourteen that I took the class on this. So it's been a while. Um. 09:15.50 archpodnet It's all just super fresh for me right now because I would go du this rabbit hole Middle Earth lore for a while now. 09:23.14 archpodnet Yeah, take fun classes in college. Everybody. 09:26.34 Jesus of Nayarit And yeah, like this I hunted this class down because I'd heard someone took it and I like emailed the professor like 8 times like will you teach this class again and she's like I need enough people to say so and then enough people were like can you teach this class again. So we did it? Um, yeah, it was awesome. And she would get into like the link she broke down elvish like the syntax and like everything she like this is how you would say it in Cinderin and this is how you say it in ldar and I was like oh my god ah yeah, it was intense. Oh but um I was telling a friend this to the day. She was saying in class and obviously you'll pick this up too. She was like in the books they reference a lot of certain foods and some of them would be like items, tomatoes, potatoes and tobacco does anyone know why these would be controversial and I was like oh I think Christ and I was like. Christian new world domesticates and she was just like very good. Are you an anthropology student and I was like I sure am but ah yeah, that that's the only thing in the books that are like relevant to like North America um, which I think he just didn't think about. 10:24.60 archpodnet Um, a beautiful. 10:39.86 Jesus of Nayarit Um, because they're very British things. But. 10:40.98 archpodnet Yes, very much came to to Europe from America type deal. But even like just getting to like the archeology some of these things like in the hobbit in particular when they find a couple of those swords like there's archeology or at least antiquarianism. All the time. It's usually in the form of like weapons so like weapons from a bygone age showed up or like relics like even the um like when saromon gets killed at the beginning of return the king one of the seeing stones. 11:01.95 Jesus of Nayarit Um, right. 11:15.98 Jesus of Nayarit Palentiers. 11:16.49 archpodnet The p plentyiers right? That's from a fault you know like there's a lot of these powerful objects that were made by smiths that were trained by Saramon or so Sauron sorry and so Sauron was trained in particular by like. 11:28.87 Jesus of Nayarit Right. 11:35.47 archpodnet The top. Ah Ior Smith is like Mor Goth wasn't a smith. Yeah, all a so like Sauron was trained by Allle who's like basically the equivalent of um, Hephaestus hephaus the Greek god of smithing. 11:37.14 Jesus of Nayarit Morga Oh outlet. 11:51.71 Jesus of Nayarit He fastest yeah or what's his name in Roman um mar no mars is war. Ah hephaus is all I know let me see. 11:52.97 archpodnet Yeah, festus. 12:03.44 archpodnet Yeah, um, so and also that kind of goes like them with the world building is it vulcan Well that makes sense. 12:08.00 Jesus of Nayarit Oh vulcan I I believe so let me see Hephaestus let me check. Yeah vulcan okay, um I guess because like forages and. 12:20.87 archpodnet Huh. 12:25.81 Jesus of Nayarit Um, hey and that makes sense because the ring is destroyed in a volcano full circle guys. Ah, what were you say? Oh yeah, the antiquarianism like they just casually mentioned like when Thorin and co and gandal and Bilbo find the swords in the troll horde ah is it. 12:29.69 archpodnet Yep. 12:46.19 Jesus of Nayarit Or Chris or Christ as thorns and glamourring glamourring is is Gandal's Tam I'm good at this? Um, they're from the Elvevin Smith of gondolin and Gondollin was a huge elven kingdom in the north that is just now gone. Um. 12:50.53 archpodnet It's like Goblin. Yeah. 13:02.15 archpodnet Well. 13:05.10 Jesus of Nayarit And like there's a whole book now on the fall of gondole. It's just mentioned in the or now I think it's in the the silver meillian but and the unfinished tales. But yeah, it's crazy. There's just like so much antiquity I guess I keep thinking in prehistoric archaeology. There's not much of that in Middle Earth but there's tons of historic archeology. 13:20.99 archpodnet Yeah, and even then it's like technically there is no difference between yeah you know like historic or prehistoric because like there are elves who came over from valanor who are still a lot. 13:37.52 Jesus of Nayarit Right? Like galatrical is old. 13:40.93 archpodnet It's so it's like there's no, you know it's like you know they you know the elves are just too like world tradition because they could talk to Thousand year old beings or just like oh yeah I was there you know like the fact that like you know, um, ah the big, the big fuck I don't know I forget his name. Um. 13:49.90 Jesus of Nayarit It. 13:57.27 archpodnet Ah, should know this the elf that's running yeah the elf that's running riveondale elron the fact that like Elrond fought with the seaal door and is just like fostered all of seal door's kids for like 1000 years 13:57.45 Jesus of Nayarit The big cheese elrod. 14:15.70 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah, 2000 years no 3 3000 years yeah 14:20.50 archpodnet Yeah, just like jasonally just watched all of ah El Sedor's fuckups until ah, eorn shows up and like unites the place like. 14:31.44 Jesus of Nayarit Pretty crazy man and like I remember my dad when I was a kid watching these movies he was like could you imagine living 3000 years and I was like no um and I bring that up too because in the class I took she was like um token called this the doom of men like that they had to that they died. 14:48.80 archpodnet What was the gift I meant. 14:49.12 Jesus of Nayarit Um, and the doom wasn't right and she was like they refer to it as the doom of men. Um, but they call it the gift of men or the elves call it that to them because like it's torture living that long like it's It's a pain to them that they have to live that long and they finally are like I'm going to leave middle earth and go to the undying lands because like this is insufferable but men get to live and die and have a whole life. Um, which is why the whole agorn and Aryn and Baron and luthan story is tragic because like. 15:21.13 Jesus of Nayarit Would you rather have 1 quick life loving somebody to the fullest or like have to live your entire life I guess with or without a partner I don't know it's it's tough. 15:29.83 archpodnet Which is also why like elves are really like reticent to go to war because that's like the only time they can die like they're not super thrilled about that. 15:35.52 Jesus of Nayarit Right. No, but in the shows in the movies they kind of just throw elves left and right get elms deep. No one's like man that guy lived for 4000 years better let's give him a good funeral. They just like fodder but can we just mention. 15:50.81 archpodnet Yeah, that's such. 15:57.23 Jesus of Nayarit The the the the fight at sorry what you can say the fight at the beginning of the fellowship the ring which takes place in the the still Meillian like that's what the rings of power will end at that battle. 15:58.34 archpodnet Now go for it. 16:10.27 Jesus of Nayarit Like the elves like taking out the shifting from bows to the swords and that like lineup of like how they're killing the ors was like fourth grade me was like Wow it was insane. Dude Um yeah I don't know. 16:18.61 archpodnet Just. 16:28.70 Jesus of Nayarit I'm trying other histories and stuff like Tom Bombadill is old. He can talk to them about histories and um. 16:33.00 archpodnet And so yeah, it's just like there's there's so many there's a whole race of beings that can live forever who basically record everything that happened and how are just reminders of the missteps of men and then you basically and then you have these huge libraries from. Gondor in particular but they talk about a ah begone age or from the height of Gondor. It's just and then it's just really like what we see at the end of return to the king is like. The rise of men again because up until that point they're really on a subsequent decline since Newmanor fell in the second age like no one's doing great like there's kingdoms in the north that got weighed laced weighed laced laid waste by the witch king like there's a whole separate. 17:12.94 Jesus of Nayarit No. 17:27.18 archpodnet Story of wars that go on there dwarves are always getting run out of their um halls by dragons or some such and like the reason that you don't even see um, elves or dwarves help out at Ministerreth or pellannore fields is because while all the events are happening around there. Um, Galadriel. And the lot thorian elves are like weighing laced or defending against um, besieged by orcs from a dole colt what is it something like that. yeah yeah yeah dol a door. 17:52.11 Jesus of Nayarit They're being besieged by that. Yeah. 17:57.31 Jesus of Nayarit The dull good door. That's the fortress at the south of merkwood. 18:06.27 archpodnet Which is a huge point in in the hobbit series and then also the men of Dale in the ah dwarfs of the of the lone mountain they actually get beaten by heradran and they're like held up in the lonely mountain like they can. It can't be breached like they actually lost eastern links. Yeah, so sorry, not harrad. You're right. 18:18.64 Jesus of Nayarit A harage for easterlings I can't remember. 18:26.90 archpodnet Um, and so yeah, run that's them right? EasternLins are from roon. 18:34.36 Jesus of Nayarit Rune is East But yeah, it just I think there's just like harad is El for south? Yeah, um, but yes I can't remember. 18:38.83 archpodnet And then her rods at this al I'm trying to I'm trying to do my? Yeah yeah. 18:50.15 Jesus of Nayarit Ruin is so I think it's the sea of run is out there and that's like just the only landmark we know that's east. 18:55.35 archpodnet Ah, yeah, so they're they're from ro which is in the east and they actually yeah, they beat the men of Dale and the dwarves of the lonely mountain area bore and the survivors just hold up in area bore and once the rune hear about the. Basically the ring going back in the volcano. They just dip out like like oh that we can't win this and so like Minna Tireth is just one point of like this 3 point plan that salon had um, attacking like all the races of middle earth. 19:14.12 Jesus of Nayarit Yeah. 19:29.63 archpodnet All of which are in decline. 19:31.74 Jesus of Nayarit Right? Ah I'd love to talk a lot more about dwarves. So let's hop into the next segment. 19:35.50 archpodnet Alright sweet.