00:00.00 archpodnet Welcome to a life ruins podcast reinvestige the careers of those living a life in ruins I am your host Carlton Gover and I am joined by my co-hosts David an Howe and Connor Johnnon we are back with episode one thirty one it has been a minute since we've recorded an episode where. 00:15.34 Kanye West We big. 00:19.38 archpodnet We're back on unfortunately for some people. So yeah, we're all and this is the first time the 3 of us have been on an episode and like months it's been months. 00:29.10 connor 10 years 00:31.86 Kanye West 1010 years drop me a beat and I'll ah I'll I'll read I'll rap about what what's been going on you get Connor seems to have one ready to go. 00:39.50 archpodnet I can't I can't beat box I. 00:45.21 connor Oh I can put on some low 5 beats I'll give you I'll give you track. 00:49.43 archpodnet I Don't even know what the soundboard is anymore I don't remember any of this stuff? No I've I switched him out. What is this. 00:56.59 connor There's a lot of Halo ones. 00:58.91 Kanye West You got the bro Chris or Rachel that is that the is that the beat we're doing. Yeah so ah, oh right. 01:06.81 connor Oh my god. 01:08.90 archpodnet Now is the Coffin song. 01:17.29 Kanye West Yeah, ah, yeah, we've been gone for months baking our summer getting driving in a hummer man that eats gas gas is pie priced. We want to go back and play with fisher price. Here we are on our podcast making rhymes making people laugh. We got mad stuff about archaeology Kanye West man he crazy. We got some stuff. We've been gone for a minute Carlton's a professor Connor has quitted it is it. No I can't say that sorry. 01:57.49 connor Are. 01:58.38 Kanye West Not not as bad as I thought it would go not as bad but yes, it was topical. Um. 02:00.47 archpodnet Um, that was a there are There are some. There was some brimes there. Um I am um yeah know it was proved. It was good. It was good. Um, yeah. 02:10.85 Kanye West I was trying to say our podcast was childish like Fisher price and it didn't it didn't land throwback. But anyway yeah, we we've been gone. 02:14.86 archpodnet No, that was good. That was a good that was a good line I was fisher price man play school plays cool. Yeah, no excellent, good stuff. So yeah, it has been a hot moment I think it was necessary. We had. Ah yeah, well part of that also was there was the for those that aren't aware. Um, our producers Chris Webster and Rachel Roden took the month of October off and so that's why we had some episodes not belonging to our podcast and then apparently just not episodes at all. But we're we are. We're back. So this episode comes out I think Thanksgiving weekend right. 02:52.20 connor So we're gonna talk about topical stuff like like the first Thanksgiving of course no, it's been not episode. 1 17 was the last one we were all together on I think which is wild. 02:57.22 archpodnet Topical things if. 03:07.86 archpodnet That's a hot hot. Um people were like afraid we were breaking up like genuinely concerned. 03:11.65 Kanye West Yeah, well the talk of the town this summer at the at the field camp but someone would sit next to being in the like boy band issues and I was like no, we're like we're. Finelton's just literally moving into a tenure track position connor' crying somewhere and I'm literally trying to film the coolest clovis excavation that's ever been and I'm poor. So it's like what are we gonna do? What can you do you know? what? I mean. 03:26.39 archpodnet Ah. 03:38.13 archpodnet What can it do. 03:38.27 connor Okay, who's who who are we of in sync like. 03:45.53 Kanye West I'm the gay one. 03:50.50 archpodnet I I only know just in timberlake and lance bass and I think Lance Bas is he the one that. 03:54.84 Kanye West Yeah I there's JT in the gay one. That's all I know. 04:00.54 connor I'll take JT I think we we'll give carlton j t no I'll take I'll take ah Justin isn't there another like j c. 04:09.72 archpodnet Ah, in sync I don't even know who's in in sync. Ah J yeah, there's a do there's there's just there's Jt and then there's JCChat chases chris Kirkpatrick Joey Fit Tony and lance bass. 04:10.68 Kanye West Um, j c shiza dude I saw him live at Summer jam 2004 04:17.77 Kanye West Which ah broad city. What are we I'm a carry sex the city. 04:24.52 connor Oh want to be I want to be a joy fat 1 04:27.12 Kanye West So with it to way you going? Wow I've seen some theories that people think Boy bands were like trained by the cia to like. 04:27.68 archpodnet The tone they still have a website. It's they do still have a website are they actually. 04:34.80 connor Think they they can think they're touring. 04:45.16 Kanye West Send like kind of like civilization 4 or 5 send culture out to different countries like what k-pops. Do it now pretty soon. We're all gonna meet bull gogi. 04:49.63 connor There are the rock bands. 04:57.80 archpodnet Ah, that's fun with me man I'll take bull rogie yeah, um so David you have a new podcast. 04:58.13 connor Ah, yeah, I'm I'm perfectly. Okay, with that. 05:02.13 Kanye West Suppose I should tell you guys I well I do and I don't it's like whenever I get a chance to do it. So if you noticed the first one was out months ago and the second episode was out months later. But yes I wasn't actually going to plug that. But. It's just on my Youtube just I mostly wanted to do it. 05:21.20 archpodnet No, we should absolutely plug that because it's like good quality I enjoyed watching you in Spencer Talk Yeah, of course I watched it. 05:27.13 Kanye West Are you watching it. Spencer is 1 of the most brilliant individuals like I've ever spoken to and like I wanted to pick his brain about that stuff. Real bad but youtube.com/davidity and how and I mainly wanted to do it because I want to do the video aspect. 05:36.82 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 05:45.93 Kanye West And I want to be able to put what we're talking about over top of the the thing whereas this podcast is like we really can dive into like specific things and um I try to be less goofy but I did just wrap. So. 05:59.10 connor I I did love that it's like filmed in like a place that we all have been to multiple times you know it felt like felt very at home. 06:06.38 Kanye West We've all slept there shit there thrown up there for a few of us cause some of us have eaten a whole pizza and fall asleep in a chair there. Um, yeah. 06:09.69 archpodnet That f. 06:18.70 archpodnet Oh the times it was it was yeah I was really happy to see um Spencer at the plains conference in Oklahoma city this year I hung out with him him a lot. Um. 06:27.60 Kanye West He's a good dude. Yeah. 06:31.34 archpodnet And it was really cool to be not him on the board of directors with him and it was really cool to kind of see him in that mode and feel as like more like a colleague it was it was cool to see because that was ah it was weird. Um, that would Oklahoma city. 06:44.19 connor So where was plans this year 06:48.78 archpodnet Um, so I got to see some pawney folks which is cool I got to see my grandfather's Portrait hanging up in the capitol building. It was really awesome and but yeah, like a lot of my friends who are still in grad school were treating me a little different now I'm like I'm the same old idiot that like no, you're not, you're you're one of them now. 07:05.31 Kanye West Your professor gover. So. 07:07.40 archpodnet I don't know what that means so now and so I hung out a lot with with Spencer. So yeah, this this has been a weird couple months of of a new learning curve and or inclined to to whatever whatever I am now so got to hang out with him a lot and. It was fun. Got to talk some fun stuff with him and it was really cool to see him talk with Steve Holland him and Steve Holland got together and had like a talk about cirrudi and some of these other things and it was really cool to just hear Spencer pick Steve's brain um about those things. No. 07:34.61 Kanye West Has Steve Holen heard our episodes on crudi he probably shouldn't but just to go all him there and say it might not be a good idea. 07:43.14 archpodnet No I um I really like Steve like I'm working out a yeah I'm I'm working I'm working I'm working on a project with Steve and I don't want him to know the things that I said several years ago about it for. 07:55.96 Kanye West Um, let's go ahead and take that episode off the air. 07:57.88 archpodnet We can't it's like after the Bob Kelly episode that is the best episode we got. 07:59.24 connor Um, and I who. 08:03.50 connor We we stand by them. They're not a criticism specifically of him just this just some questions we have some questions we have some legitimate questions. 08:03.35 Kanye West Yeah. 08:07.27 archpodnet No, no, they're not. We had. 08:10.77 Kanye West I listened to it the other day as we encod it and like within the first 3 minutes Carlton's like yeah, he's a great archaeologist but I mean he like so that was just like oh no, really drinking beer together. 08:20.29 archpodnet Who ah, he's a great guy Ridarel is a weird yeah weird stuff no I like him a lot. Yeah, he's ah he's a really cool cat. He did his graduate work on powny archeology and stuff and that was that was interesting. We had a whole pawnie session at plains this year and my uncle drove down from pawnee with like one of my with one of my cousins and I was like oh shit and they got it. Hu? Oh yeah, I was like well yeah I will now that I'm at Indiana I was like wait a second What do you talk about? No they don't live in Indiana um. 08:43.37 Kanye West Indiana party Indiana I did for the audience. Okay. 08:45.35 connor Did you make a parks and rec joke there get a. 08:55.14 archpodnet Ah, no from po Oklahoma and and after the session. My uncle's like get over here I was like oh fuck I'm in trouble and I was like what's going on. He's like and he just started asking me questions about the research and I was like oh so did you like it. He's like well I didn't learn anything like what do you mean? he's like well I already knew all that stuff like it's really cool to see like white people. 08:58.52 Kanye West Of Eagleton. Yeah. 09:14.00 archpodnet No things we already know or learn things. We already know and I was like that's a fair criticism because they're talking weird like some of the set were talk about like where pipes came from in the lodges and he's like yeah we know we brought that it was so it is like kind of fun room was hot though. But. 09:20.40 connor Ah. 09:29.27 connor Do you get to see um did did Matt come down Matt read the tippo. Nice. 09:33.30 archpodnet He did come down he he was part of oureption and also um, we had a reception at the Oklahoma historical society which was a gorgeous building for some reason I thought it was going to be like in an old warehouse and it was just going to be dingy, but it is this gorgeous building. And then Matt like curated all these materials like this whole the native american session he did and it was like nuts. Oh they haven't really changed this that much. It's like the pawe star charts like hanging on the ceiling with black lights and he has all this stuff there and there's like my family stuff. There's quotes for my family photographs of my family. I fucking love this museum are great. Yeah I was like. 10:09.99 connor Ah, is that like the is that like the one that's like Brand new and like like sweet and that he was talking about in our episode. 10:10.69 Kanye West Hell yeah dude. 10:20.70 archpodnet I think so because he works working there at least but with the past two decades I don't Matt listens to this too. So it's like if I will get a text message when this comes out if I've said anything wrong? Um, but now he worked there before becoming tippo. So at least within the past twenty years he was there I don't know when the building was made but it does look. Post 1990 s. 10:41.60 Kanye West So you said you were getting like a lot of like respect from people and like notoriety from them. How does that feel? um. 10:47.41 archpodnet I don't know if it's respect. Um I think it's just I think it's an acknowledgement that I'm no longer 1 of the grad students I think that's that's how it it is which has been weird because now it's like I'm in a I'm in a different space and there's different expectations. 10:55.94 Kanye West Got you. 11:04.45 archpodnet Um, of how I conduct myself which is fine. Um. 11:06.33 Kanye West More Hell Yeah yeah. 11:06.47 connor Yeah, did you and I think we talked off air a little bit about this, you feel like there's a transition of like people you're friends with because of this not not like on purpose but it's just things change and you get closer to people. 11:18.68 archpodnet Yeah I have to be careful now. Yeah I have to be really careful even like because Mac and Emily go here have been on the podcast and like there's some of my closest friends and even how I interact like I can't gossip with them. About the department and they can't do the same with me so like now things we used to talk about no longer allowed to talk about dad a Halloween party and there were grad other grad studentss that came and I was kind of just hunging out on the porch most of the time by myself because it's like I can't get tanked or you know it's like. 11:40.48 Kanye West Um, can't talk down. Yeah okay. 11:53.21 archpodnet This is weird and like Doug before I left Doug gave me like a list of rules that he learned about you know navigating those spaces. So it's weird and even like another friend of ours here. She needs someone on her committee and I've been extraordinarily resistant I'm like you know way too much about my personal life like this is not okay, it's like it would be The only thing worse would be if like 1 of you 2 came here and I was on your committee like there's just no fucking way. There's no respect there like there's just like no shut up idiot like there's none like that's not a thing but like people are pushing them well you should have Carlton on your committee and they're like he's our friend like that's going to really mess with the dynamic. Um, so it's it's been odd in that sense. Um, but weirdly enough I've been getting more practice. Um, now that I'm affiliated with the underwater archaeology program. Um, a lot of the undergrads from the underwater science have asked me to be on their committee and I'm working more closely with. 12:48.67 Kanye West Shout out Matley mcalister. 12:52.80 archpodnet Yeah, Maddie Mcalster she's coming back? Um, in that way. Ah so I've been working closely with undergrads and their big thing is like um the director of that program wants me because of my collaborative work and so like the first thing I did went with some of these students I was like we're gonna delete the term prehistory. And prehitor out of your vocabulary because that needs to change and so that's been helped so I'm getting more in that mentorship role with undergrads which I'm already used to as a grad student. Um, but like even the way I dress like I try to dress nice because like the amount of times. Even so my colleagues mistake me for a graduate student. 13:27.64 Kanye West Yeah. 13:29.43 connor There's there's no pink tank tops happening. 13:29.79 archpodnet No pink tank tops. No tie eyes sweatshirts. 13:32.80 Kanye West Like even just a flannel tucked in his like you know a professor look you know, but it separates the men from the boys as it were. 13:39.78 archpodnet Um, out in Wyoming. Not not here like we're talking about like my department is a lot of Chicago Berkeley and ivy league grads who like dress up dress up somewhere in Slacks and oh the mail. The the. 13:46.47 Kanye West Oh shit. 13:49.11 connor Like a tie every day. 13:51.30 Kanye West I Just met a girl Actually that's a you go sorry there's a lag so I couldn't hear but. 13:58.85 archpodnet Yeah David oh yeah, ah I mean I don't I don't go hard I usually just wear slacks and like a button up t-shirt and that usually does it put my hair in a bun brush my beard. That's. 14:12.80 Kanye West Yeah. 14:15.10 connor Is it is it nice to do that. Do all this without having to teach classes like as an added stress upon that or is that. 14:15.55 archpodnet And about it. 14:21.95 archpodnet I wish I could teach because like that's that's kind of kept me away from the department like meeting people and like getting to know the community work. So I'm not teaching so I do mostly like I'm working on papers and projects and I've I've spend a lot of time meeting people around campus. so not so I like I'm always asking everyone for my department to go your coffee with me to talk research I'm meeting with people in like the underwater sciences program earth and atmo um folklore the archive of a traditional music. So I'm always meeting with folks is how I've been trying to keep my time and by building community and I've reached out to like shipow. State archeologists and and other archaeologists around um the state that I am here and I and would like to do more stuff here in Indiana um, and also some of the affiliate campuses through the Indiana system because it's not just I u bloomington there's iu. Indiana there's iu. 15:15.29 archpodnet So one system spread out throughout the state and so and they have some archeology department spread out so I'm like just trying to reach out and um, build those connections. So that's that's been kind of a major part of my work but the since I'm in 2 departments the amount of emails I get is intense. 15:32.56 connor Staggering. 15:33.32 Kanye West Yeah, that. 15:33.46 archpodnet So there's like faculty meetings. There's also museum staff meetings and then since I'm one of the only Bipac professors on campus which is ridiculous thing to say like I get asked to do a lot of service and and my opinion matters on things and there's only I'm one of 5 I'm I'm one of like 4 enrolled native faculty in this campus of 50000 undergrads and I think like 1 of 9 people of indigenous descent. Not a big depth chart you know so we get so for native american people's month which is November this month like I got asked to do a lot of things you know. 16:06.71 Kanye West Yeah. 16:08.22 archpodnet And but it's actually been really cool because I've reached out a lot to Heather Rockwell and to Spencer and Eric and um, it's been an interesting eric has been helpful. Ah. 16:16.47 Kanye West Well. 16:23.92 archpodnet It It has been a transition because I I I don't know how to describe it because I had a perception of what professors were like in professor politics as a grad student and it's and it's not that it is. It is fundamentally different like there is like a there is a curtain. 16:34.60 connor Yeah. 16:40.62 archpodnet On the other side and once you make that it's a whole different world of politics and um professors know more than I think graduate students know but they can't talk to grad students like there's this weird like. 16:53.98 archpodnet There is department politics. There is a department plan to deal with things but they have to deal with it internally and quite frankly, it's not the grad student's business of some of the things that they're worried about and it's I I don't even know how to describe like there's just it's it's just different like there's a lot more thought that goes on. 17:07.50 connor Yeah, and sometimes you can I feel like as a grad student you can you can feel that stuff leaking out a little bit like you can get some of that stuff that's going on above your head and you're like oh someone's doing this or a drama here or whatnot. But now you're like. 17:08.67 Kanye West Yeah. 17:20.65 archpodnet Yeah, and it's it's it's interesting like. 17:24.90 connor You're involved in all those talks like you are very much privy to that. 17:26.30 Kanye West Yeah. 17:34.30 archpodnet We a lot of our faculty meetings are dealing with like higher up campus and initiatives and like trying to decide like navigate the department for like the next decade like those are things I never thought of like they're really playing the long con here of trying to just survive and really looking at the decline of. Academia and and trying to navigate cuts and so so yeah, it's a long game and it's crazy and I'm like oh I'm not prepared for these conversations like I just got here kind of stuff. 18:04.93 Kanye West Yeah, well speaking have not being prepared for something I got some anecdotes to tell you guys in the next session about you Carlton or I guess the podcast in general. 18:15.70 archpodnet Sweet and we'll be right back with episode 1 through to 1 to hear those anecdotes. 18:19.56 Kanye West Sorry I forgot to do that. Thank you.