00:02.97 archpodnet You know what time it is. You're back episode one thirty eight we got the macho paleo Mondays you hopefully it will solve your case of the Mondays I don't know it'll probably just bore you because we're ridiculous. Um. 00:07.20 Kanye West Paleo mondays. 00:18.11 archpodnet We ended up ah the last segment talking about goats and I wanted to tell like a little story. So my office I I got a new job I'm I'm working with the state of Wyoming bring me being be p gamep. Thanks man. Um, but they have this obsession with goats. 00:27.75 Kanye West Brown Brown congrats 00:36.12 archpodnet Within the office. There's like an office culture obsessed with goats like there's yeah I have ah Damian who was on the podcast. Um, my supervisor bought me a goat mug and they also do a goat calendar. Yeah, it's key. Oh it's good. It gets weirder. 00:38.14 Kanye West Weird. 00:50.52 Kanye West Um, weird. 00:55.24 archpodnet Have um, they have a goat calendar every year and there's ah, there's a whole ever at the beginning of the month everyone guess like no one looks at the calendar. Um and actually see um cheats or anything every beginning of the month you guess how many goats are in the. 01:14.31 Kanye West A classic goat guess. 01:15.80 archpodnet Um, goats are in the actual? Yeah yeah, how many goats and then um and how many trees because it's all goats and trees is the calendar. So. There's like a whole culture around that like so I won the first time I guess 3 goats in 1 tree ended up being like 8 goats and. 3 trees or something like that. It's super weird. But I'm we're we're go people now. Charlie. 01:39.64 Kanye West Where live and die with a goat. Ah you were talking about too like their whooves and stuff and like like if you watch goats like scale walls and stuff like in the Middle East like it is crazy and it's just like that. 01:55.24 Kanye West Solid example of natural selection because like or adaptation because they have to hide from all those predators that can come from any direction so they just like vertically scale walls or end to get food too. But. 01:57.50 archpodnet And yeah. 02:03.89 archpodnet I Think it was in planet. Yeah I think it was in Planet Earth where they have that like scene where that is it the snow leopard or is chasing goats and they're like on vertical shelves and they're just like hanging out. Yeah, yeah, that's. 02:18.43 Kanye West That's what I'm thinking of yeah I don't know if it was snow leper but some cat. Yeah. 02:23.56 archpodnet It's insane like they're but they'll not just scream at you like but they're like these freak animals. 02:26.18 Kanye West Yeah, but that's I guess kind of getting into what I'd like to talk about too is like you have especially North America this continent and Australia is a solid example, you have all these animals that are perfectly adapted to their stable environment. Um, and I just shouldn't say stable like it. It does climate does fluctuate pretty hard over the Millennia but like relatively good time and then like about fifteen twenty to 15 or 20 to ten thousand years ago like that climate starts like going haywire and things just start dying off so like. 03:04.42 Kanye West In Australia too like they had giant marsupial predators like cats and the thylacine. We're not cats they had like a marsupial type lion thing um thyla thyyla set thyyla theo thyla what's so what's to lion. 03:22.40 archpodnet Thought yeah dileo. 03:27.30 Kanye West Leo Dileo that's it something like that um dio scene that's it nope I'm gonna look it up hang on. Ah. 03:29.67 archpodnet Okay. 03:39.98 Kanye West Ah, there's a marsupial cat I can't remember what it is thyileo or something Anyway, I guess just cut that random bit out. Um, yeah, there's like marsupial cats, giant predators and stuff and they are perfectly adapted to. 03:46.31 archpodnet Ah. 03:56.63 Kanye West Those environments as well because Australia is like a wild ecosystem and then lo and behold when people get there or another no sorry about forty thousand years ago all those megafaun in Australia kind of start to disappear and giant kangaroos and stuff go extinct. Um. But it's interesting because 10000 years before that these monkeys showed up and let me back that up these apes show up and ah I don't want people to misconstrue backback back backpack these apes with fire show up. 04:28.20 archpodnet Yeah. 04:34.76 Kanye West And are like huh look at all this meat I don't know it's just weird you know and like in Siberia when when people show up there too animals die and like when people show up in North america animals die and when they show in South america they die not only that when they show up at Madagascar the animals die and when they show up in New Zealand they start clubbing all those birds to death was that climate did humans come in there with their There are co 2 emissions from their gas fossil fuel cars and just store the environment probably did they bash the animals over the head more likely because climate changes everywhere. But like when humans get there. It's a pretty you know as Todd put it. 05:20.31 archpodnet Yeah, well so did to give it to yeah. 05:31.18 Kanye West Like if there's a bunch of murders in a town where this one person's going. It's probably that person. 05:35.65 archpodnet Just just saying um to to give some context and to actually do some real science which we we rarely do. Um, yeah, um so in North america specifically 37 mammalian jen 05:42.96 Kanye West I'm the Alex Jones of archeology I'll be honest with you. 05:52.77 archpodnet Genero including over 70% of its megafauna um were lost toward the end of the pleistocene. That's all that's ah, that's a lot then and and. 05:59.49 Kanye West Toward the end hu yeah, does it up. Does it mention the pradmasti site in The Czech Republic because there's a site in The Czech Republic called the pritmasti site connor where there are evidence of. 06:09.86 archpodnet Now. 06:18.16 Kanye West Possible dogs but they're like maybe just wolves but they buried 1 with a mamoth bone in its mouth so they're probably like proto dogs hanging around the camp and why would they be hanging around the camp Connor because at this one site which was occupied continuously for like 1000 years 700 ah mammoths actually a thousand mammoths I believe according to the the paper were killed there and I wonder why the dogs were hanging out eating all this mammoth bones with 700 mamphis care. You have any such certificate. 06:54.79 archpodnet Ah. 06:57.00 Kanye West I Mean if it quacks like a duck ah sorry a megafauna duck Mega duck. 06:58.58 archpodnet Yeah, well yeah I mean is if if you lose seven hundred and mammoths like your population can't like feasibly recover from that. Yeah yeah. 07:11.94 Kanye West It's like a mammoth a year 07:15.40 archpodnet Yeah, like yeah and they're slow growing or slow on birthing too. They're not like real rapid species that just like pop. Yeah yeah, that's a long period of time like you don't repopulate quickly. 07:19.13 Kanye West Like what sixteen months fourteen months 07:28.10 Kanye West Me let me type this in my search history today is gonna be weird. Ah elephant yeah, 18 to twenty two months African Bush Elephant Twenty two months so more than a year that's almost two years 07:32.88 archpodnet Um, do you want? Do you want to? do you want to read it to the crowd. 07:43.22 archpodnet Yeah, almost two years yeah so you take 7 oh canceled. Ah. 07:45.84 Kanye West Of just being hormonal and pregnant. No wonder the bull elf and sleeve am I right? Oh was good sorry that was I don't know Rachel to your discretion keep that in or out. 08:02.31 archpodnet Ah, we're joking. We're kidding um I think. 08:04.66 Kanye West All right, keep it out. Ah oh my God Sorry I'm off the rails today. Um, yeah, but anyway so I believe um in my coding class. 08:21.00 Kanye West Ah, sorry in my coding class. We learned like 1 of the the example problems was like of how to code was this many mammoths um, existed in Wyoming at this time possibly and if it takes twenty two months to just date a mammoth and there's people hunting a mammoth. Every. You know year, but there's multiple groups of people doing it how quickly are the mammoths going to die in Wyoming? Um It's pretty fast amount of years. Ah, but that's not to say that according to that one study Clovis points. 08:44.57 archpodnet Um. 08:50.20 archpodnet This quick. 08:58.86 Kanye West Could not have killed proppaidians. Um, but with 1 throw not even from donny dust or our ah Dev and atlattle man Devin at littlettle pedigre himself my throw my first throw perfectly penetrated. What was said it couldn't in that 1 paper. So ah. 09:17.94 archpodnet Um, questions are asked. 09:18.72 Kanye West And just it's just odd to me is it almost like people have an agenda where they're like is it interesting is it when Obama was in office. The megafaa died but when Trump was in office none did coincidence I'm Tucker Carlson does my white bow tie maybe look like a white supremacist. Yes, anyway say um, yeah, it's just like it's one of those. 09:42.37 archpodnet I Think not. 09:53.90 archpodnet Let with. 09:57.83 Kanye West Ah I sorry I want a whole Tucker Carl said impersonation tangent. Ah where you can say. 10:04.56 archpodnet I was gonna say so um, there's a paper out by Tyler faith and Todd Serl published in 2009 that really says that this event um of these extinction events really occur in like a small period of time. So it's like between 22000 radio carbon years before president is like very tight window which you think yeah yeah, which you think um I mean it is pretty to be fair. There is a lot of drastic climate change occurring. 10:25.97 Kanye West Does that Clobus window. Yeah. 10:37.23 archpodnet On a scale that isn't really really isn't seen any anywhere else. It might have occurred in in the pleo seen previous times but this is like a pretty wild unstable period. So so there is probably a little bit of that that is. 10:38.10 Kanye West Yeah. 10:48.40 Kanye West Right. 10:55.57 archpodnet Affecting population size. Yeah. 10:57.52 Kanye West Absolutely and I think that was ah my was I think it was my paper and our our arc theory class with Nicole Wagas spec shoutout that um like climate hurt put it this way meteor aside like. Climate was already destroying these populations like shifting and going like that then humans coming in there at that time as another thing in the mix just didn't help because it like those populations were already declining and then humans came in and just you know, got the final final kill on them. Um. 11:17.19 archpodnet Yeah. 11:32.26 Kanye West Because climate does kill things all over. Ah, but so out of humans. Um. 11:34.70 archpodnet Oh yeah, yeah, well I mean and especially like ah cold adopted like they're surviving and thriving in probably 1 of the coldest periods in the pleistocene and then you go to this like rapid rapid change like you you probably just die you overheat. You? Um, you lose your food source or there's just there's a lot of stuff that could be done because of that you know. 11:57.38 Kanye West Yeah, and if you think about it too like the animals that are let's say mammoths or horses or something that are used to foraging in whatever environment they were if that's getting warmer. They got to push further north to exist where they do to keep that same climate. So smaller animals that say like for example, way more rabbits are coming up there eating for you their foliage than like you just get not rabbits but things that are better adapted to that area will now start pushing into that area and those bigger ones that don't gestate as fast like don't breed like rabbits. Are going to die off. Um, and that's just like kind of basic Science. You know. 12:37.61 archpodnet The mutations there aren't present because it's not as quickly mutating of a population. The change doesn't really occur as quickly because it's those potential for mutations aren't isn't there. 12:44.95 Kanye West Oh yeah. 12:50.80 Kanye West And yeah, exactly and not to say humans were killing or not killing dyre wolves I don't know of any examples of it but like the dyar wolf was very adapted to lowlands and planes. Um, and it was taken out bison and like big things like that. However, it couldn't adapt to changing climates and wolves live kind of everywhere and the wolves that existed on the plains that had to compete with them obviously weren't doing as great as the dire wolves but the wolves that lived up in higher alpine areas and you know. Kind of where wolves are reduced to Today. We're totally fine because like they were adapted to that area already and could survive it so that's a solid example of climate or just the loss of other species. You know, causing an extinction but was that extinction. 13:33.90 archpodnet So. 13:46.41 Kanye West Are those extinctions of species caused by a trophic trophic cascade of people coming here too at the same time I don't can't argue against it. 13:53.62 archpodnet Yeah I think it's really really and the more you see and the more we find about that period I think we're going to continue to see evidence of scavenging maybe hunting you know all those things I think it is going to continue to come out that these are I mean if you have ah. Access to that and are able to hunt those megafauna. Why wouldn't you I mean that's that's that's it's just you know it makes sense um like adaptation wise. 14:15.32 Kanye West Right. 14:22.47 Kanye West Yeah, and I'm still of the the idea that like we might not have been hunting all of these mammoths like physically chasing and hunting them but they probably got a lot of them burn near Rivers Um, and like elephants especially baby elephants get stuck a lot. And those rivers and can't get pulled out like in the mud. So like we could probably just walk by hear it crying and then pop it and like that's like laprla is a solid example of like that's totally a possibility because we found the point that had a manwith blood on it but like was it just. 14:42.81 archpodnet Um. 14:58.95 Kanye West You know, cooperative hunting like a Jason Bourne or was it like or I guess what's his name Joe Rogan and Cameron Haynes oh my god it's Joe Rogan um and then ah he was like athletic greens and like speared the mammoth or was it just stuck in the ground and they took it out of hiss misery. 15:03.60 archpodnet Um, oh my god it's Jason but. 15:11.13 archpodnet Um. 15:18.57 Kanye West And then um, you know, used multiple years about occupation of skinning its hides and using every bit of it to you know they were. They didn't kill it. It was just dead. So. 15:19.82 archpodnet Well, and. 15:32.34 archpodnet Okay, difficult Question. What? what kills a mammoth. That's an animal.. What would you say that like a megafauna animal that could kill a mammoth. It have to be do you think it had to be like some sort of pack animal like I don't know if a short face bear here is gonna. Bring down a mammoth. 15:51.98 Kanye West Maybe a baby um because I do so there are like lions that kill baby elephants in Africa all the time. Um, it's also a super sad video too like I was just like oh that thing knows it's dying. Yeah, like other animals like proud air just like what's happening this hurts but elephants are like fuck. 15:56.20 archpodnet Okay. Oh oh. 16:09.97 Kanye West Um I don't have my will um I Want to see the last season to game with throw. It's been like ah um, brutal brutal stuff. But yeah, either have to abandon pack animal. 16:18.19 archpodnet Don't give anything to David. 16:27.61 Kanye West Or pack hunters like wolves or lions if anything they probably hunted only the babies like nothing's going after a bull Elephant I don't know did you have an answer. 16:29.44 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, no I think no that that was my question and like I don't see bears going after I mean do bears I Guess the question is do bears go After. Bison and things. 16:50.18 Kanye West Ah I did see a video of people getting married either in Montana or Alaska or maybe somewhere in Canada pull it up ja of they're like reading their vows at the altar then you just hear like that you hear and it was just like a moose getting dragged out of the water. 16:53.49 archpodnet Pull it up Jamie. 17:06.42 Kanye West Ah, being like just eaten alive by a bear and like the whole weddings are there. It look beautiful but like literally forty feet away across this lake or maybe forty meters away there's just a bear like tearing and like that people are scarred for life and like so and I was thinking the whole time like ah. 17:19.44 archpodnet Oh my god. 17:24.93 Kanye West Sucks for the wedding. It's your fault for get married but also ah the um, the like a bear just took out a Moose Moose are like arguably scarier than bears to me because they're so powerful. So like if a bear can take out a moose. Definitely a baby mammoth. 17:36.26 archpodnet Oh yeah. Yeah, 1 if you if you up if you say that the short face bear is taller that probably size probably works like I think you could do it. 17:42.88 Kanye West So should be yielded it by the trunk. 17:54.78 Kanye West I think so um, well this was an interesting segment of this podcast. Sorry I went off the rails a little bit there but we look we will come back in segment 3 with some science. 18:07.95 archpodnet Um, maybe.