00:03.62 archpodnet Were back. 00:08.53 Kanye West We're back. Um I'm gonna let Connor lead the discussion here because I I went. There's a lot of cuts in that last last segment I went off the rails so cut that cut that cut that. So yeah, we're gonna let here we're gonna let Conor Z. 00:14.41 archpodnet Cut that cut that cut that I just wanted to mention that the kind of the first proponent of this so this this theory of humans killing off all the megafauna is called the overkill hypothesis I think it was. Originally proposed by Paul Martin back in 1973 in science. Um, we just want to mention? yeah some days. Yeah, ah, but just that's that's kind of this whole discussion is the over kill hypothesis or. 00:39.32 Kanye West That's a that's your journal. Yeah. 00:52.55 archpodnet The climate hypothesis there and then there's kind of the middle generation. The middle iteration of it which is both climate and overkill which I think that's like everyone but Todd Serreval falls into the middle of that. 01:06.12 Kanye West Yeah, and I I should add I may immediately interrupt immediately interrupting to septicon Vari and hoba nineteen um is Snooky Goldberg ah the I need to add that like where we were at Wyoming there were. 01:23.46 Kanye West Ah, few professors professors who are pretty strong about overkill so like I have my but biases Connor also does but like when you think of it. There's only a few schools that actually study this and like most of them kind of agree. So like like it's biases but also like we've learned about this a lot in school. 01:42.31 archpodnet Yeah, this is this is kind of. 01:43.13 Kanye West So um and some people might find saying climate end overkill our combo or like both did it which is what I I'm but prone of but other people that we know might just be like no, it's only one. So. 01:56.89 archpodnet Yeah, but I mean that kind of follows a similar debate or I mean I think a lot of people in that time period. There's It's a little campy and the paleo stuff but allegedly allegedly. 02:11.26 Kanye West Yay allegedly um and I mean the other thing too is the meteor and that gets the bug buzzword Hancock talks about it. He's got his new show and like the meteor Graham cock hashtag. 02:25.25 archpodnet Graham cock. 02:27.89 Kanye West Is like I mean rightfully so it's a cool theory like if an impact came in and destroyed everything like that's awesome, but it's also like he's pigeonholing it into 1 thing like it like 1 thing caused it and it's an easy thing to blame it on much like the dinosaurs. It's like oh of course it killed everything. But like it only killed everything in North America according to him like the rest of the world like it's I guess just not like doesn't matter or he says it's the whole world. But. 02:53.90 archpodnet I Think there's I think there's yeah I think there's other I think it's like a larger thing. But yeah, so the last period that where things get wild is the younger dryas is what we're calling it and then this is the younger dry its impact hypothesis which is that a bunch of meteors win. All. Nuclear and cause this this change that we're seeing this Annex extinction. Um, and it's been.. It's it's heavily debated I mean it's There's ah, there's no punches pulled in this debate. Yeah. 03:27.48 Kanye West Yeah, and like he specifically says like it's at this time at the end of the younger dryus or during the younger dryas but like again things in Australia die way before those meteors were hitting a lot of things die in Australia um, there were some meteors there on the ground. Feet. Um, so and Spears. But um I guess boomera right? Letts but not to distract but I guess what I'm saying is if the impact hypothesis is true. Ah cool right? I'm fine with that like I don't think there's enough sufficient evidence for me to say so yet. However. 03:45.70 archpodnet Ah. 04:02.10 archpodnet Are. 04:04.97 Kanye West Ah, it could be a climate or combination of the meteor climate and humans like why can't that be a thing where a lot of people are just in the camp of Nope. It's just a meteor like humans didn't do anything and I'm like why where why would you say that. 04:20.13 archpodnet That's yeah that that's that's the camp I cannot participate in and that really it really does overlap with like pseudoscience and Pseudo archeology it really those things. Yeah, those are the I think that's the the greatest. 04:22.16 Kanye West Exactly. 04:31.43 Kanye West That's the most I get those comments. Yeah. 04:37.61 archpodnet Proponent and greatest density of Pseudo scientists and pseudoareologists are in that camp of Boom Sky climate change and I don't I Just can't the evidence doesn't support that like there obviously are meteors like all the stuff that they are finding. Is real and they have like good evidence for it. I mean all the stuff that um, the guy who's the topper guy. Yeah, all good years. He's finding the evidence of those meteors. 04:57.31 Kanye West Ah. 05:01.15 Kanye West Al Good year. 05:09.94 Kanye West Ah, there's another guy who does the stuff the impact stuff there came't remember's name I met him a few years ago um he pops up out of a you would know on Facebook and I'm like well I'm not gonna add him? Um, but yeah, like those. 05:14.43 archpodnet Oh um, Shane Chamber now use it. He's a. 05:25.98 Kanye West Impacts are like there for sure and like ah he I mean not not to bash Hancock again, but like not not even bashing him I'm just saying like he says oh look all of these meteors hit right at this time and like you can see it in the soil but he also omits that like meteor has been hitting the earth like through all the soil. Like at the other times it just conveniently fits into that one is there in concentration. Yeah, but like they're still hitting it in places like meteor the diet my readers code that but but sorry I just just just Joe Biden ah the come on man come on. Ah. 05:54.30 archpodnet Um, we been better pickup but back ah got to get our cranes. 06:03.76 Kanye West The better buildback better plan. Um, what was I saying ah I truly feel for the man. Ah. 06:09.57 archpodnet Um, it's just a convenient like media. Yeah meteors have been hitting our planet for forever every single day. Um, there might be concentrations like the it's likely killed the dinosaurs is I think where where you were going is that? yeah. 06:22.33 Kanye West Yes, that's what should say. 06:25.92 archpodnet It like it likely killed the dinosaurs or it caused the climate change and and all that stuff that's associated with it. So that's that's a very real thing but microrystals and huge meteors don't really like that you know where that we know where that. 06:29.38 Kanye West Right. 06:44.81 archpodnet Meteor hit because it's a huge I just don't think they're equivalent like yeah yeah, like they're not equivalent to what they're proper. Yeah yeah, what's on the Greenland I don't know. Okay. 06:46.89 Kanye West The big one in Greenland. Yeah yeah, oh oh the the dinosaur woman is in the yucatan sorry yeah, Greenland's the one that hancock's talking about. Yeah. 07:03.62 archpodnet But they're not equivalent I mean and meteors hit it all the time I Just it's not a. It's not a solid argument based in the facts in the science I'm sorry. 07:12.62 Kanye West Yeah, and like he's saying that the major event of that was during the younger drive which is eleven thousand years ago I think right is am I right there? Yeah um, but like cave hyenas as I was talking about the other day on on Instagram. 07:19.63 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 07:27.15 Kanye West They died out fifteen thousand years ago in Siberia coincidentally when humans of dogs are there. But anyway ah they died out long before the meteors hit so things were already dying and people don't see it that way especially because it's projected to them and so spewed at them that it was a meteor in the thing but like the. Hot topic back in the day was his overkill thing and this was the same thing where people are like I don't think so um because like how could humans possibly kill everything and then people get the idea of like they were hunting every last one. It's like no if you killed the bull elephant the herd's going to disband you know so. 07:46.18 archpodnet Yeah. 07:55.79 archpodnet No, it's not yeah well and the the reality of the the past and of what we study is that everything is fucking messy like this like this the grahamcock like 1 one theory equals this and explains all stuff just. 08:08.56 Kanye West Yep. 08:15.70 archpodnet Doesn't work because humans are messy. The climate is messy. The Earth is wild. It's on like weird cycles that change through time like it's none of this stuff is easy. Yeah, it's it right? It's just it's random chaos like there's not we we look for simple answers. 08:21.79 Kanye West Random chaos. 08:32.71 archpodnet But it's never I never feel like that is adequate, an adequate story that we're telling or an adequate representation of the past because it's it's complicated is that's the the reality of it and. 08:41.49 Kanye West Yeah, and there's a lot of context to it that needs to be explained and that's what leads me to believe it's the right answer is that it's a mix of everything because it's hard to explain people want one answer. That's just the the be all end all but like if you wanted one answer I'd say it's humans but like. Ah, in addition to the other things but because that's the only factor that's changed Meteors has been hitting the planet for years. Climate's been changing for years but then I'll pocket. Do it again. But um, new ones appear but I know I'm sounding biased here but I guess what I'm trying to to get to is. 09:16.66 archpodnet Um. 09:19.86 Kanye West You can't sit down and explain to people who aren't interested in archeology or ecology or pleistocene zoology the entire history of like oh well,, there's climate. There's humans. There's this,. There's the meteor meteor just makes sense and I get that So it's. That's what leads me to believe the right answer is it's all of it because it's hard to explain. 09:36.69 archpodnet Yeah, well as sit with you and I think we ended last time we were talking about this as like a science communicator you you have a minute or 2 to explain all this on a Tiktok video How do you How do you do that? What's the. Because you want you want to give context and you want to give people different sides like it's the Graham cock is definitely um, exploiting that with his 1 theory solves. Everything. 10:06.62 Kanye West Yeah, specifically today I like got one that was saying like you're spewing misinformation talk about the land bridge theory and I didn't mention the land bridge I just showed a map of people and dogs walking from Siberia to the Americas which like. Yes, that's specifically showing berringia to the Americas but it's also just showing a visual example of people coming from 1 place to another whether they were in boats or flying ah doesn't really matter and I only have a minute to explain it. So like I can't possibly get everything. Um, yeah, you're right. 10:36.98 archpodnet Yeah, unless you like fast forward your voice like 10 times and in and you name and yeah and the cap highway and then. 10:44.84 Kanye West Yeah, and I'm ah like at the cow highway. Um, the I'm a huge proponent of like humans and neanderthals being the same species like it's we're all just Mutin Homo erectus but like homo erect die. However, ah I people are most familiar with neanderthal. So in my post today I said humans meeting neanderthals and trading but like I'm not going to say homo sapiens sapiens and homo sapis aandthalensis meeting and trading wolf belts. It's just too much to type on a little tiny thing. So like people. 11:13.66 archpodnet Well and you can't you can't reference like this is my opinion people think differently in that little period. Yeah. 11:20.88 Kanye West Right? When it's a post about humans and dogs around the world like it's just not relevant. Um and people are like there're different species or the look. But and it just creates engagement which is nice. Um also don't piss off people that are really into Egypt because oh she wants some engagement. 11:23.29 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 11:28.78 archpodnet Yeah, money money money. 11:36.88 Kanye West Anyway, I'm gonna let you speak. 11:39.45 archpodnet Ah, no I Just think it's um and I think that's part of this podcast and part of what we are doing as part of this is to give this context to understand because because this is what we learned we learned grad school that things aren't easy and and simple and. There's people involved and people get pissy and have opinions and it's It's just it's just we hope to present this information in a way that is It's gonna always be biased but less biased and more nuanced than you would get just kind of like a. 12:02.46 Kanye West Ah. 12:16.11 archpodnet Science paper or a science article or something like that like we we want to deconstruct those things because it's important. 12:16.18 Kanye West Right. 12:22.79 Kanye West And it's not as easy as saying like we scientifically know your heart is in this part of your chest you know like it's not it doesn't work like that we like pretty sure your nervous system is this electrical impulse thing and like electrical conduit through your body but that's easy. Stuff is hard and very subjective and the fun thing is like we only have what 3% of the world dug up. So like there's I mean not even that so there's just a million answers and everything's dead and you don't have a time machine to see it so come up with the. 12:56.36 archpodnet What should be well I would say what What's your estimate of like what is actually preserved over of over time. So like we have 3% of the land dug up and of that 3% maybe say like. 5 % of the archeological remains that are created are preserved or the bones like all that stuff wastes away and gets destroyed like how much do you think the archeology record represents the totalness of human human culture. 13:32.16 Kanye West Um, not even a percent like historical archeology sure like we know where Rome was there like you can see the humanmade like stucco structures and like stone structures and things like yeah you can see it. 13:34.50 archpodnet Yeah, like it's it. Yeah. 13:47.86 Kanye West Um, but like understanding the languages and the cultures and the clothing and the the painting and the you know stories that existed in Coastal South Carolina Six Thousand years ago no idea obviously as the rocks. So does that mean they had Jetson's cars flying around space like. 14:01.52 archpodnet Yeah, and even probably. 14:07.59 Kanye West Graham Hancock suggests or he just says I I realized this the other day too. He doesn't he really doesn't say that stuff he says there was probably an advanced civilization but like advance to him means like ah like the iroquois or something like that like people that live in a complex civilization or complex society. 14:26.40 archpodnet Yeah. 14:26.40 Kanye West Use stone tools and stuff like that right? but like people interpret that to mean like they had flying cars and things like I've noticed like that the atlantean thing. So anyway I think he gets taken out of context a lot even by us. But sorry I distracted from your question. 14:39.48 archpodnet No I mean I just think we just have we have such a limited sample. We probably have a point zero zero zero one like we don't have all the stone tools. We don't have all the rocks we don't we don't even have the stuff that preserves and like you're saying the the entirety of human culture is oral tradition or. There's there's so many facets of it that we only really get a point zero zero one percent guess of that so we're doing all right fuck all y'all who say we aren't doing. We aren't real scientists. We're doing all right? Okay, we got. We don't have enough data. We're just working for it. Okay. 15:08.95 Kanye West Um, ah, yeah, yep, and science like changes too like that's good science like it like doesn't need change I know. 3 of us plus she and yes, you're pretty resistant to change when it comes to people in the Americas but you know what you do Ah, but I mean like I explain this on a podcast yesterday too like we have dug up quite a bit of North America and like. 15:26.34 archpodnet I. 15:40.28 Kanye West All over North America we're pretty you know it's pretty ubiquitous that there's stone tools and there's hunting camps. There's 8 deer bones that they were eating these kinds of scrapers so they're making food or making hides making tools around in the country. So like to say that like I forget Ras going with this tangent that we don't. Or like say there's so I mean this's more than 17000 sites in the the country. Let's say there's like 17000000 archaeological sites in the country. There are 3 that are weird in the news like that and like that doesn't mean we don't like you know it's just like we have a pretty solid statistically significant. 16:07.16 archpodnet Of. 16:15.80 archpodnet It's just yeah, the sample size of those doesn't the outlier. They're outliers. That's what they are. That's the reality is that they like statistically there are outliers within our our larger understanding of the archeological record so they should be treated like that. 16:17.16 Kanye West Example of what history was. 16:22.72 Kanye West Yeah. 16:31.96 Kanye West Um, um, who were the the papers we were talking about like you want to list those for the people. 16:32.79 archpodnet Like it's an errant piece of data. 16:40.95 archpodnet So um, yeah, so reading stuff I'll start with um and these will all be linked in the the show notes. There's ah articleide Jack are broughtton and wezel that's population reconstructions for human and megafaana. 16:58.23 Kanye West Are. 16:58.42 archpodnet In nature that's in 2018 so that's that's one of the ones we are talking about David Meltzer drop 1 in 2020 about overkill glacial history extinction of North America's ice age fauna. 17:09.72 Kanye West Um. 17:17.69 archpodnet Ah, the one we were talking about about this short period of time that a lot of these generic are a lot of the megafaa disappear is faith in serl 2009 in some ah the proceedings of the national academies of sciences. So that's good. 17:37.31 archpodnet But else did we and then then there's also cerrel peltonrecker and myerstwentyfifteen which is a test of Martin's overkill hypothesis using radiocarbon dates on a extinct megafauna so those will all be in the show notes please go check them out. 17:45.21 Kanye West And. 17:54.58 archpodnet Um, a lot of these are open access and we'll we'll have links to the open access versions. 17:58.94 Kanye West Yeah, and we appreciate your guys emails. Especially after last episode we do read them. So thank you for the constructive criticisms and the compliments. We really appreciate it. Um, yeah, and Carlton will be back. 18:08.54 archpodnet Yeah, yeah. 18:15.26 Kanye West He's already back today I think he just flew into jfk so we should be back to our normal programming and next week be sure to follow our Instagram page I think that you guys still use the Twitter I refuse to use Twitter ah, we got. Facebook page and yeah, be sure to rate and review the podcast would really help us out if you're against mega fauna get the swag man. Um I think Carlton was offering something about stickers the other day I'm not I'm not supposed to make those promises anywhere. Um. 18:34.53 archpodnet We got swag. 18:46.50 archpodnet Yeah I thought that was you and you were just like throwing to 1 of the bus and I was like cackling I was like ah yeah I was on I was on the life and ruins podcast Instagram story. So I thought you were just like if you see Carlton and hug him and you know give him a what willie. 18:49.54 Kanye West On his Instagram story. 18:58.80 Kanye West Know that scarletton there was Carlton's desire to be loved. We all have it. We go to um and ah I'll post ah a post here. y'll do a joint one. 19:02.10 archpodnet We'll send you a sticker I was like oh my god that's hilarious. Ah, we love you Carlton. 19:15.48 Kanye West Between the our page in mine about overkill and if you guys have any like opinions or something like that throw it on our Instagram like let us know in the comments. Um, this should be out Monday the what is it Eighth ninth Eighth Monday and ninth remember never forget. 19:26.33 archpodnet 90 all right. 19:34.72 Kanye West January Ninth something happened that oh I'm thinking that January Sixth never mind. Oh. 19:43.62 archpodnet Um, and with that we are out. 19:51.75 Kanye West Connor Ah we forgot to do our joke. 19:54.20 archpodnet Yeah I didn't stop the recording So we're good. It wasn't very good. 19:57.35 Kanye West Go out that was my lead in for you to do it I know it was terrible. That was my joke. 20:07.32 archpodnet Ah, why can't Michael Jackson play chess 20:11.70 Kanye West Oof Topical um I don't know. 20:16.23 archpodnet Um, because he's dead. 20:21.93 Kanye West Ah, oh I Wonder what killed him was it a climate or was it his doctor messing with his meds was it human? Oh oh I don't know the kid was a mess. 20:25.34 archpodnet Um. 20:28.98 archpodnet Ah, is air conditioned temperature. 20:36.31 archpodnet The and on that no, we're out.