00:00.37 archpodnet Sorry Chris we were just about to start this and then Connor just texted okay sort of good welcome to episode one forty nine of a life ruins podcast reinvestigate the careers and and lives. 00:03.82 David Howe Has another do at the podcast apparently hook this about his back. Yeah. 00:17.85 David Howe Careers. 00:19.78 archpodnet And research the careers and research of those living a life at Rhos I'm your host Carl to gover and I'm joined by my co-host David Howe Connor is not high conor David Connor is not here tonight. Um, he is currently ah coplaying. 00:27.64 David Howe Hi. 00:37.35 archpodnet As the hunchback of Notre Dame 00:37.49 David Howe Oh my God The dude slipped to desk it. Oh. 00:43.28 archpodnet So ah, he variment. 00:47.10 archpodnet Ah I think I think the hunchback clipped a couple discs so doesn't happen I ordered one of those by the way. Finally no, not the hunchback. The the thing in your hand. 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Exciting and cutting edge topic of style versus function. So ah, why is this concept. This classification. 02:39.35 David Howe Yes, we do. 02:53.70 archpodnet Of of is it if you considered a classification. It's basically just about the form of objects and then. 02:57.17 David Howe To theoretical concept. Yeah style versus function is like the idea that if you dig up an artifact you can look at it and if it's say a byface or a projectile point or a knife. You know? Okay, this is a cutting implement That's its function but like the style is a clovis point versus an archaic try notch point. Is there a different function between those 2 things or is it just style and you can look at that through today and it's like is an iphone. Function is to call and use the web and you know it's a million different things but 1000 years from now when someone digs it up. They're gonna be like I think these smaller ones were probably more efficient for carrying than the bigger ones or something like it's just like how do we look at this archaeologically and you can apply it to like any modern tool. 03:50.60 archpodnet Absolutely the dichotomy between style and function was first formulated in the late 1970 s by Robert Dunnell and remains an axiomatic within the theoretical perspective of evolutionary archeology. 03:50.80 David Howe That you could dig up. Um Donald. 04:03.55 archpodnet Original definitions of style and function were ground in biological evolutionary Concepts regarding neutral variation versus variation that is subject to natural selection. Um, basically oh yeah, absolutely. Um. 04:14.33 David Howe This is ah you go. 04:20.30 archpodnet Basically, what the what the deal is here is when we're looking at the archeological record especially when it comes to a material culture that is in ah, deep time and trying to categorize identify the use of objects. It gets a little wonky because of course the people from that time. Can't speak for themselves and generally depending on how far back in time you're going how useful the ethnographic record can be in interpreting these objects gets gets really difficult. So especially when it comes to. I think to me when I think of style versus function David like flutes on a paleoindian point come come to mind because they after what is it like folsom points projectile points aren't fluted anymore and just kind of. 05:00.40 David Howe Yes, but. 05:12.69 archpodnet Goes away. 05:14.61 David Howe Ah, folsom is like 1 of the later ones. Yeah, that might be 1 or 2 others. But folsom would be the bigger 1 clovis folsom Cumberland. 05:23.87 archpodnet And and for those that are listening who have no idea what a flute is a flute like if you imagine a projectile point or Narrowhead spearpoint. Whatever Um, that's an excellent description I was really struggling. Yeah like a little notch of a. 05:30.10 David Howe Imagine a racing stripe up the middle. 05:37.61 David Howe Sometimes I sleep sometimes I nap flint nap your faces. Okay, all right moving on. 05:39.65 archpodnet Like carve it out a little. 05:45.77 archpodnet Yep I know. 05:51.56 archpodnet Um, up the center and it just largely disappears now I have heard and I can't tell who I heard this by that like fluting is the last thing you would do and if and you could royally like destroy. Your projectile point. 06:11.20 David Howe I flu I've vo turned my camera off too. 06:14.59 archpodnet Yes, fluting I don't know what I just saw but. 06:21.84 David Howe Um, ah. 06:31.19 archpodnet Ah, to do um okay bring it Back. So after you've do that again. The process of fluting a point which happens at the end of ah. Production of a projectile point if done incorrectly will snap a point and all the time you just put into creating that point is now wasted except for practice Really, That's pretty high. 07:01.84 David Howe 40% fail rate I believe I think it might be lower that might be among modern nappers I don't know what it is in the past. Um, yeah, it's either 40 or 30% it's pretty high. 07:10.59 archpodnet Gotcha have you ever floated a plant before. Have you ever floated a point before. 07:18.53 David Howe Yes, only one successfully the other six have broken in half. 07:27.20 archpodnet So you have like a ah 15% success rate. 07:31.57 David Howe Like it took notes on it. Let me check. Um, yes, it's a pretty low success rate. 07:38.53 archpodnet Damn. 07:41.61 David Howe Flu. Ah Rachel Chris is are helped it is eating some chicken wings that spit bearre with us really quick while I look it's up but hereified. 07:53.50 archpodnet I'm so hungry I'm so sorry I came home I'm taking that. 07:57.48 David Howe Flute fails. 08:03.59 archpodnet Are these can wait I've never got to the point and a projectile production to be close to some right and flute something good for you did were they like clovis points or folsoms. 08:03.80 David Howe I didn't update this after my second one but I think I've done 5 08:18.56 David Howe It's taken 10 years um but attempted to make a clovis point more. It looked like a Colby and I just tried to float it flute it. Um. 08:28.62 archpodnet Isn't just a Colby point of Clovis point that's undergone, the frozens effect. 08:33.77 David Howe Ah, ah, just they're just bigger clovis points to me. But yes, you could say it's the prison effect. Ah the one I made was bigger. Yeah to mind to Myers Dating 08:34.84 archpodnet I Thought they were smaller. 08:43.89 archpodnet I've got you sounds good. 08:49.28 David Howe Anyway, we're yeah, we're losing track here but the ah yes, so the the point of the fluting would be like some people should think it it so you can halft it better I think that's the major idea I would subscribe to that. Um, that's it's like thinner to put on the shaft. Um, but other people think it might be like a rite of passage like oh can you flitin up this cool. You can you can join our club other people think it might do with bloodletting um like a groove and a catana yeah like ah Catanas have blood grooves down the side of them so that when you stab them into somebody. 09:14.83 archpodnet Bloodletting. 09:23.33 David Howe Suction doesn't go all around it like the blood automatically comes out so it like stops the wound conceal. So I thought flutes were doing that. Um, but that part of the point is usually half dead and tied so it just makes no sense. Um. 09:37.90 archpodnet I have seen I think it was Donny and Devin talk about putting um grooves into addolatl. 09:46.49 David Howe I forgot he listens. He's currently screaming at me because I I incorrectly sized a ah Colby point love men. 09:49.97 archpodnet Darts got love Don and dust um but it was either Devin or Donny or both of them were talking about um, putting grooves into the side of Adlal darts. 10:03.65 David Howe Are. 10:05.76 archpodnet I Forget what the purpose of those were but ah I don't want to talk out of out of hand. But I I believe yeah on both sides but they didn't say bloodletting I think it was to make it like more flexible wiggly in the air. Yeah I don't. 10:11.67 David Howe Grooves down the side I would imagine it's for that purpose then yeah. 10:21.16 David Howe Then I don't know yeah text him ask him? well. 10:25.23 archpodnet See style or function I'm afraid to text to text either at this point. 10:36.12 David Howe Let you just call him and put him on air and ask it not talking about that all right? He's probably busy filming something. Ah. 10:40.37 archpodnet Yeah, busy, busy man but like when it comes to Stalin function especially when you look at ceramics in particular like ceramic designs those are like pretty much. Over 90% of the time going to be all about style. 11:01.14 David Howe Yeah, and and like we could also get into the the idea too that like different cord stamped versus like Paddle stamped versus like circular designs on I can get into like a spiritual or ah like a religious different a different function in that regard. 11:14.43 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, there's a really good argument that Ramsian size pottery which is a particular sort of onoda pottery production on the shoulders of pots is representative indicative of. 11:16.31 David Howe But that's other stuff that doesn't fossilize that we can tell either. So yeah. 11:33.15 archpodnet Um, raptor wings. It's a thing. Um this yes raptor wings after do the raptors have wings in 10000000 what is the movie called. 11:40.80 David Howe Hashtag Adam driver. 11:48.14 David Howe No 65 was the name of the movie and and no among the many issues of the movie none of them that I have to pick currently were about the dinosaurs to just the plot. Um and the writing the the weirdest part of the movie was after years. Like almost 2 wo decades of Jurassic Park for 3 decades of Jurassic Park being out when everyone's like Lake Cretaceous Air Dinosaurs had feathers. There wasn't one feather to be seen in this late cretaceous movie and they had 30 years to figure that out but no, they were like very just like chicken skin looking lizards. 12:20.14 archpodnet Okay, was it better than the last dressssic part dresssic World evolution. 12:27.40 David Howe Functionally no, stylistically no I actually haven't seen the newest Juressic Parkers because they looked like ads you're gonna do my man b d wong is a bad guy. Got here. 12:32.32 archpodnet Ah, really it was it was bad. It wasn't good zero out of 10 would not recommend. Um. 12:44.55 archpodnet And so why does this matter in the archeological record it mostly boils down to under trying to understand human behavior and also like classification of like Well what's the purpose of this human decision and the production of a material culture. And then archeologists will argue about it for a decade Sometimes vehemently. 13:05.43 David Howe Um, or multiple. Yeah yeah and I remember Don Vision being brought up in in class. Um Don Vision it's like if you're if you're too bogged down in this I think it's Don Vision um that might not be a. 13:11.67 archpodnet Donald Vision I like that. 13:22.23 David Howe Ah, kind thing to say to somebody that they have done a vision and I'm saying this out loud but um'd I'd like you to elaborate and you know who knows elaborate and the um the the idea of the the evolutionary archeology of this like is that. 13:25.79 archpodnet Is he dead. 13:39.67 David Howe The style evolves is that what it's trying to get at this is almost eight years ago for me now. 13:42.86 archpodnet I believes I believe So yeah I believe so it's been a while I haven't got into ah style versus function a hot minute just because like most of my research has been so based on radiocarbon. 13:58.95 archpodnet And then also like settlement patterns but actually that's a pretty good, pretty good segue in terms of like with my work. How how I see style versus function comes in um, house forms and settlement patterns like the style of house. Particularly on the great plains like an earth lodge which is a so basically a manmade hobbit hole I think is the best way I can describe it like you got a spherical mound of dirt inside is massive log beams. Um there. It's ah. 14:36.33 archpodnet And there is a elongated entryway and you find these in the in the great plains particularly Nebraska Kansas south Dakota Northern Oklahoma and it's like the indicative pawe I rira wichita Punka omaha mandan haddaza form of house and that. People that come later like the ponkas otos and omahas adopt earth lodges as they move into the planes from like the pawnee and ricora teach them turns out, they're like tornado proof which is a pretty good. 15:11.10 David Howe Really. 15:15.20 archpodnet Form of house to have in Tornado Alley yeah like the spherical shapes of the houses like nothing's getting in there. Um, and so like my. 15:22.63 David Howe Um, I also always wondered like why like Tpe and things like that out on the planes are like the shape they are and I imagine has to do with the wind like once I moved out there. Um. 15:32.37 archpodnet Yeah, so like people think tps are perfectly Conical. They're not actually like and same thing with Earth lodge is the entranceways to a lot of these houses. Um, there is There's ah there is a religious component to it. Why they point the certain way they do. However, generally they're looking to the South The entranceways to the Southeast or to the East in general. The reason being is like where does the cold wind come in from generally. 16:02.40 archpodnet The northwest so Canada yeah, so you don't want your house to open up into the the frigid Arctic air and tps actually lean towards the northwest generally like Tps have a slight bend in them. So the front poles actually are are. 16:03.18 David Howe Ah, okay. 16:19.72 archpodnet Putting pressure onto the back poles. So as the wind's coming down. It's actually pushing into those those poles that are at much more of a acute angle as opposed to the obtuse angles of the back poles. 16:36.70 David Howe Okay, didn't know that. But um I definitely that the little I think it's a reservoir that's in Centennial Wyoming let's head outside ah ah Laramie. 16:37.67 archpodnet Yeah. 16:50.58 David Howe Like there's a weird like conical shaped structure. It look like ah just a man-made tea like ah, a cement-made tp. But when I first saw that I was like why is it shaped like that oh the wind and like it hit like because I thought it was just easy to move poles and skins like as a house somewhere. But yeah, it's gotta to be the wind. Otherwise they would make way different. 17:08.63 archpodnet Yeah, and um, traditionally like pawnes and Rick Ros like all the tribes that did the biannual bison hunting you'd have the one in the winter you'd bring your tepees out but 1 in the summer pawnees and rickers had had a summer house 17:09.43 David Howe Houses I would think yeah. 17:24.38 archpodnet So we went and bring the tepe out. It was um, there's really cool photos of it. But it's like more of a it's it's not even fully enclosed. It basically kind of looks like ah ah, an ovular lean to because you don't need to worry about the wind really in the summertime you just need to worry about the rain. So it's it's not even fully enclosed but it looks like um like when when Baby Yoda Growgos little fucking pods open That's what they kind of look like if that makes any sense and I don't even know if I don't even know that. 17:43.49 David Howe Ah. 17:52.58 David Howe Oh cool, cool. Yeah, like a cave kind of yeah. 17:58.66 archpodnet Yeah, basically and just but and like you don't need is in terms of like function. You know a tee is a shitload of bison hides as compared to as those summer tents much less right? so. 18:04.80 David Howe Yeah. 18:12.24 archpodnet Um, it was really only the horse nomads that show up in the eighteenth century along the western plains. They're the full time tpe people right? because you they just need the one all year round. Um. 18:26.23 David Howe You can open that up and let it be breezy and stuff to yeah. 18:28.94 archpodnet Right? Whereas like for the farmers on the Missouri River the Summer Bison hunt that's where you're really getting the most meat so you can reduce your caring capacity like the initial carrying capacity of of the tepees with just these like summer lodges which are. An eighth of the size and weight of a tepee and you can go out get more meat and bring it back to the to the town. 18:56.51 David Howe Okay, well that was an excellent example of style or function in the next segment ah to get into some more and I promise you guys. This will be This will be some fun stuff to think about.