00:01.00 archpodnet Chris and Rachel sorry about that my internet cut out. So David just asked what my students think about it and I'm gonna respond well David funny that you asked tomorrow I'm actually giving a workshop for the religious studies department here on campus on artifact categorization and classification and part of that workshop is I'm bringing like. A bunch of my glassware from home dividing them into groups and having them create categories or taxonomies of these objects and they're probably going to relay on function. Really maybe some style and at the end it's going to be I'll basically show them how i. As a person the emic perspective um actually would categorize the glassware like some of them I use for decoration you know, even though they might be a beer mug the like the big ones that I have it's like my fraternity glassware I keep that on ah on a shelf I don't actually use that type of stuff. 00:52.86 David Howe What does E make mean again. 00:57.83 archpodnet There's the emic and edict perspective and emic the way that I think about it like emic the amin it means me and the edic and Spanish There's the 2 form which means you and that's how I remember it So the emic perspective is my personal inherent Experience. Whereas the edic experience is someone else's perspective or worldview and it's like in culture so amics like my culture edic is someone else's culture so trying to challenge them in that way. 01:17.86 David Howe Okay. 01:25.31 David Howe Share. 01:35.70 David Howe So sorry I just yawned um, hang on I What question did I ask you. 01:43.25 archpodnet Ah, how do my students feel about it. It's like I don't know because we haven't got into it I'm doing it tomorrow. Yeah. 01:47.20 David Howe Gotcha Okay, um, sorry I'm to get gbsing right now. What's the Ah how much time do we have left on this segment because we were recording in the first one. 01:59.79 archpodnet We have like 17 minutes launched this second a lot of time. 02:04.92 David Howe Um, read the red. Um, okay here we go fishing hook that one like obviously has its own. Yeah. 02:14.46 archpodnet I think that's that's like 100% function there's very little style that people don't get like oh that's a pretty fishing hook. It's like no, you need to catch a fish like that is yeah. 02:23.31 David Howe Right? Like you can have a different metal I guess but that still goes into function. But yeah, you're right? that is something that's like pretty unanimously like that's fish hook because it physically does exactly what it it is. 02:35.75 archpodnet Now. 02:37.31 David Howe Um, so that's something on the record too I Wonder how much stuff we could identify as a straight up fish hook but fish hooks are usually organic back then. 02:44.45 archpodnet They're pretty like the the concept of a fish hook has been around for a long time like that's how you catch fish that there's fish hooks that go back to like neanderthals I believe in in Spain slash portugal. 02:59.40 David Howe They're pretty industrious over there. 03:01.32 archpodnet Yeah, people been there for a long time I really wish that we'd have more I really wish there's more archeological work being done in Africa. Yeah so many questions. 03:13.34 David Howe I Mean yeah would be great. 03:20.64 archpodnet Would be answered but like what the the mid part like the more equatorial Africa you get like the more jungle harder it is to excavate with that highly acidic soil which affects heartifact preservation. Yeah I'd love to work in Africa at some point. 03:32.58 David Howe Ah. 03:40.21 David Howe I was wondering where you were going with this versus style and function I was like Africa. Ah yeah, yeah. 03:42.31 archpodnet I Don't I just added up but that's like the basic like that like the further back you go in time like when we talk about oustralopithes ends Ho Erectus That's function. There is very little in the way of style I believe like that's hand acted like this is function. 03:53.93 David Howe Like with kids in hand access and stuff. Yeah. 04:00.96 archpodnet Like a lot of our earliest components I think that's true of any industry in human material culture like the the first iterations are purely function style comes later, especially under capitalist markets I think like now we're in the. 04:10.87 David Howe I would say so yeah. 04:19.72 archpodnet Pinnacle of of style of our modern human culture. 04:21.40 David Howe Yeah, well I guess with iphones too like the software and what they're capable of doing can always change in function like you're adding more cameras you're adding word. Yeah like I didn't even realize there was 14 s now my phone looks exactly like the new ones. But. 04:30.26 archpodnet Yeah, because like now I iphones all look the fucking same. 04:38.99 archpodnet Yeah. 04:39.62 David Howe It's not new at all. Um huh. 04:47.49 archpodnet Yeah, human culture is pretty fun that way although a good one That's actually kind of fun. Have you ever? you've seen um the dictator right? The point. Yes, that's exactly where I was going for it. 04:52.54 David Howe The pointy it must point. Do you see you on Musk talking about that i. 05:03.62 archpodnet He ordered them to create that rocket because of that fucking movie. It's like Jesus Christ 05:05.85 David Howe Yeah, some guy probably spent like years like his whole thesis in graduate school and engineering about how to like make the perfect nozzle for a rocket and Elon westsk was like no I would like to be pointy. 05:23.32 archpodnet I Think he did talk like that is slightly less inefficient but like negligibly like extraordinarily neglibly less efficient. It does nothing. But yeah, no, that's that's purely you know style. 05:25.80 David Howe Ah. 05:28.24 David Howe Yeah, it does not it. Yeah. 05:39.51 David Howe Because the dictator was saying he likes it because in looney tunes when the Rocket hits something it sticks and goes dark. Ah oh it's roughy. Yeah yeah. 05:43.32 archpodnet Is like I saw documentary. It's like ah did this documentary have a duck when it blows up his bill goes behind is it I am certain you're watching cartoons. 05:55.43 David Howe Ah, ah, ah here he's Jim um nail filer pocket knife but Editor's note here I don't know where to go with this Carlton and you're eating. 06:01.71 archpodnet God I Love Sasha Americao and. 06:12.50 archpodnet I don't know either I'm eating like the contra fronties vegetables just like eating Celer in carrots like this will be less distracted than having a mouth covered in sauce. 06:14.95 David Howe So I'm just like well what? what are we doing who. 06:29.21 David Howe I mean ah I'm proud of that we need to talk more. What's a what's a oh a counter to this argument like what's the arguments against devolutionism and archeology bro got into that. 06:45.45 archpodnet At the end doesn't really fucking matter I guess I don't know. 06:46.63 David Howe David Village America I guess this bring that in ah 3 to 1 Carlton does any of this matter. 06:55.91 archpodnet I Don't know dude at the end of the day if it's if it's not answer like if it's not really helping us understand human behavior. What who gives a show like. 07:01.38 David Howe It's made up and the points so matter. 07:10.35 David Howe Yeah, what if it. 07:13.36 archpodnet People get really upset over these things and it's like okay if fishing hooks a fishishing hook. This is projectile point does the Minutiae over because like it's impossible for us to go back in time and like is this personal preference or have they identified something with this unique way to. Notch or flute a projectile point that's going to make this more efficient because at the end of day these material cultures continue to change unless they're fish hooks that is clearly we've reached the pinnacle of that. Um, but like does it really. 07:39.91 David Howe Yeah. 07:47.49 archpodnet Like when it comes to projectile points especially in the paleinged and archaic record. There's very little that we can tell in terms of differences between populations and that's why we consider them like cultures. Even though it's like are they really cultures. We don't really know but at least with Clovis and folsom. It's not until really the archaic right? where there are. Geographic boundaries of projectile point types. 08:13.70 David Howe Till what time. 08:18.70 archpodnet It's like in the archaic. That's when we start seeing differences really regionally between types. 08:19.90 David Howe Well like Paleoania is pretty regionally distinct too. But they're all Palewindian Lancet points pretty much I mean in the Grand game versus like after Clovis it starts to become well. 08:28.30 archpodnet But what I mean is like there's clovis points from Maine to Mexico same with folsom and then we kind of start seeing. Yeah. 08:36.77 David Howe More reasonableized? Yeah, but i's what you're saying yes like true distinct like what am I looking at this is definitely from early Archaic Tennessee versus late archaic nevada very different. Yeah. 08:48.78 archpodnet And then like in the great plains. There's a lot of diversity and then really from like the 11 to 16 hundreds you get plain side notch points from Alberta down to Southern Texas it's like that's it I guess that's like yeah we hit it. 09:05.74 David Howe A. 09:08.75 archpodnet That is the function and like lakotas pawnes Wichita's tonka was to creze like everyone was using the same thing because it's just a little arrowhead and they are arrow heads at this point and their side notched boom. We did it. 09:23.49 David Howe We did it. 09:26.62 archpodnet We did it. We got We got to the we got to the form that just that works the best just is side notching easier than corner notching. Yeah. 09:31.35 David Howe I Guess we could say the bowen. Ah yeah I would say so or at least I just haven't tried side notching but the Earth's corn notching. But the fact that I'd never like tried it I Guess just always led me to think side notching was easier in my hands. 09:47.80 archpodnet Yeah I really want wish I was a better napper when it comes to stone tools I'm a hell of a sleeper. 09:47.83 David Howe Or I'm just used to seeing side notched I don't know I don't know why. 09:54.61 David Howe Um, um. 09:59.32 David Howe Donny I know you're listening so just shoot me a text when you hear this and you're you're like here's an answer. Ah the you're not southerned I don't know why I gave you a southern accent there. But either way woodsog dog. Um, ah. 10:11.40 archpodnet Can you make a hand axe. Yeah I could make a hand axe He has a real deep voice I have I have no idea. 10:17.40 David Howe I had ah I had somewhere to go with this.? Ah oh the bow and arrow like the bow and arrow I was thinking this the other day too like because I've been reading a lot about like age of exploration and stuff. Um like when the Spanish guy they had like pikes and like blunder like blunder but like their guns weren't like. Super the way we would think they are now obviously they were they had muskets and stuff but ah archivists I Remember that from was that Assassin's creed 3. 10:41.53 archpodnet I think they had archivists. 10:48.82 archpodnet It's the one with yeah, they're like super accurate and they're the ones that have like the um rope for the fuse their old school. No, it's not a flintlock. It's an archivist that flintlocks have the flint archivists have the the burning rope. 10:55.41 David Howe Oh I remember those yes footlocks. Ah, oh. 11:05.60 David Howe Right? Okay, those things um I know they had that and like threeie conquista in Spain. But yeah, they I ah it's 4092 they brought the same step over point being I don't think they were using Bose. At that point they were using crossbows in some in some ways. But. 11:06.40 archpodnet From like pocahonas. 11:25.29 David Howe Ah, but my my segue with this was Bose are probably 70000 years old if not a little fifty thousand ten thousand years old but like boy being a technology that was used for a very long time. Ah and like up until like. 11:42.72 David Howe Like when the Spanish Spanish got here. They would have been like oh these are bows and arrows it wasn't like a foreign primitive technology like an At-latl is you know? um, but still. It's like that's something that's been perfected you spring something and launch it a direction and like a catapult works the same way. Um. 12:01.84 David Howe Think of something every day that works with the spring I mean use last springs. 12:03.20 archpodnet And but there is there is difference in some of the styles like I don't and we've been trying to figure this out because like the pawnie used guing bows which look like a bow that's backwards so rather than like a recurve or the bow the bend in the bow is facing towards the archer that's facing the opposite. Direction now. What does that do it does make it like easier to draw the bow I think Donny yell at me if I'm wrong, but there's only so far you can bend it like it has a maximum bend whereas like a recurve you can keep pulling on that puppy. We think it's just kind of like. Can pull it back and once you really hit that resistance. You know it's time to let go like you've hit its maximum dric. It's so it's a much easier indicator but that's very particular to the pawnie and other people were using different styles about like the comanches especially on horseback the comanche warbo really tiny. It's really Zippy when you fire it. Like it's it's a small bow when you fire but that that arrow fucking it's gone well mongolian balls are I've like you've you've like seen I know you've seen them. Those things are massive. No the mongolian warbos. 13:03.92 David Howe I Go Mongolian Po yeah. 13:13.33 David Howe Feel like tiny to I'm thinking like a horse archer bows are like way smaller than I thought they'd be um. 13:18.77 archpodnet Those things are massive. No, but the Mongolian ones like once those were strung up. They were not unstrung for years like they had a special person like the draw weight on a Mongolian bow is fucking crazy. 13:27.63 David Howe Um, ah. 13:36.46 archpodnet Like you and and under the cons a bowmaker would be put to death if his bow broke. 13:41.86 David Howe I mean I would ask if that was real but like a lot of the shit he said did I was like so real. But it's a lot of. 13:50.50 archpodnet Yeah I've seen some at demons. They're gorgeous and they actually are very pretty like not only are they functionally like like imagine that like ah modern day bows you unstring them after you were done with them. They kept their strong for fucking years and they didn't lose tension. And they pierced armor. 14:08.10 David Howe Yeah, and I was thinking it's because they're not long like a long bill but they're smaller but they have curves in them which give it the power. Um I Guess that's what I was trying to get at yeah but they're not like. 14:12.79 archpodnet Now. Yeah, no I got yeah, they're a short boww. Not a small bow Funngolian War bow. 14:23.37 David Howe You know Legend is El a tiny little I pollut it's the Ferry Fairywell where the Heroes bow my doors mask are the huge. 14:30.82 archpodnet Holy shit. Yeah, so um, that's an english long bow shit the mongolian bow had a draw weight up to hundred fifty pounds that is crazy. 14:37.76 David Howe I typed the mongolian bowl I'm hungry like that their curve or this month 14:47.94 archpodnet Hundred fifty pound a hundred fifty pound draw weight. That's a fucking lot to kill an elk you need like anywhere between above 35 like you need basically 40 to 50 a hundred and fifty pounds that's 14:55.79 David Howe 50 Yeah. 15:04.30 archpodnet You are basically doing a fucking. 15:06.56 David Howe Yeah, boat. Yeah. 15:08.38 archpodnet A lat pull of 150 with one arm like that's a lot of of weight just to fire it once. 15:15.40 David Howe In that little thing too. Yeah, ah well, we've discussed style various functions today Carlton I think so too Connor's broken ah 15:22.84 archpodnet We have David I think this was beneficial to our audience. 15:32.29 David Howe Asm I'm as I'm trying to get this pen cap back in. Um, we're a mess Carlton's broken physically and spiritually so we're just we'll get you some content. 15:37.46 archpodnet Ah I too am broken. 15:40.35 archpodnet Yeah, or're barely keeping it together. What what happened to his back this time is it from the car wreck on the highway of death from a couple of years ago 15:48.86 David Howe That didn't help it but he um, he heard his back I believe working out a few years ago and he had to get surgery for it. Um, and like now he like he has rehurt the same thing and the moral. The story is like Connor wakes up at 5 a m every day to work out. 16:03.47 archpodnet Oh fuck. 16:08.39 David Howe And he's a very fit person but like can have an interview. So. 16:11.39 archpodnet I need to get back up like I was going five six times a week now I've shrunk back to three week three days a week I'm just not having a good time sleeping like I'm not I can actually I'm starting to see the veins in my shoulders now which I was very proud about there was were starting to pop. 16:18.00 David Howe Ah, it's still more than most people. 16:26.45 David Howe Good way to be vascular Nicole you vasco da gamma now. 16:30.47 archpodnet Trying it's like the diet's got out the window I got I got beefy arms I feel like Robert barath in god Bless Bessie and tets. 16:39.88 David Howe Best thing. Ah Wow. Okay, so Wow Wow. Okay, ah me too I wasn't going to quote that on our podcast. 16:50.10 archpodnet God I love robert brath oh what? doesn well who gives a show. We've said much first. It's a quote. It's a quote. It's a clo likes the what's the better one. Ah. 16:56.27 David Howe Is quoting Robert Burathian yeah um like that gods but pescy. That's what he says um well the doth raki here. Yeah, ah anyway, guys. 17:11.37 archpodnet Not not the doth braki one The ah. 17:11.63 David Howe Where we we're keep it together I'm still I don't know if I've updated you guys. The doctors have no idea what is wrong with me. They're just like your hands will work when they you know they might not not. You're good like why. 17:23.91 archpodnet Yeah, and it turns out I don't have a HD I have severe anxiety. Yeah, they misdiagnosed at first and like no one told me in my family like does your family have a history of anxiety and I was like I don't think so but then I like go back home and I went telling people what happened like. 17:27.63 David Howe Well. 17:40.47 archpodnet Oh all of everyone on your dad's side of the family like your dad suffered from panic attacks. We're all in anxiety meds I'm like wait a minute and I wonder if that's if that's historical generational trauma because it's only the Indians that have it. 17:50.41 David Howe Ah, leading research on anxiety is that an Adhd you can have genetic predispositions to it. But it's x extra. What do you call it that it um the epigenetic. 18:07.51 David Howe Like factors that cause it. Yeah yeah, so like yeah environmental factors there. You go like things like that can like trigger it in you? Yeah yeah. 18:08.77 archpodnet Oh sweet, anxious. Now Anxious people hoping to get a medication because fucked does this shit suck that dark turn. 18:22.81 David Howe This episode took a this got bad where're guys we we're here you were getting your content Carlton's recording is on episode here in a minute last week when you're hearing this you will have heard me talk to viny. Um, oh I just jumped. 18:37.33 archpodnet Vinny bag of donuts. Can I start eating wings. Can we play see at thieves and eat wings. Follow rate review the podcast. No. 18:38.00 David Howe Air duster in my water. That's great. Cool Um, let's end it Yes, please keep listening to us don't leave after this nonsense. 18:51.31 archpodnet If if you want to if you want to be a host on the podcast. Please let us know we need help. 18:54.87 David Howe The other context is Carlton just drove across the country and back the other day and he's like trying to be a functional person. Um I haven't had a thought since November so ah. 19:03.85 archpodnet It was bliss nine and a half hours of not getting assaulted by emails I wish I could drive all the time I'll drive your bus Dave it'll drive you wherever you want just keep the keep the phone away from me I'll be a bus person I'll change my. 19:11.67 David Howe Ah. 19:15.94 David Howe All right? Let's ah. 19:20.72 David Howe I say live and die by this the bus D crap crap people. But. 19:20.93 archpodnet My idea from a C person to a bus person live and die by the bus all right till next time bloop.